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Oh man completely forgot about that. I'm going to go work on it now.

So won't just be called Tang Dynasty.

I'll have to finish Memories of the Gupta Dynasty today or tomorrow so I can send off the review for it. Will it be 5 star or will it be 4.95?

I'm getting through scenario #4, I'm making lot's of eye candy and new rpg style victory conditions, like faking your death and taking advantage of the fact lions won't follow you on swamp (has anyone else done this yet? I've seen rafts used to get past alligators and walls used to make a path through animals, but never seen shallows used to provide a path through lions.

It is a big map and so far I have only made Elephantine Island and West Elephantine, but I'm about 1/3 of the way there after 2 days working in the editor.

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Hey, I remember "Legend of the Stone Mountain". It wasn't bad at all! Means that I liked it. It sould be given some little improvements on the ai, a restyling of the 3rd scenario (the one I liked less) and some intro bitmaps, then it would be a very nice package

Why not considering to work on an upgrade, instead of a sequel? it would be easier for you, since you could concentrate your efforts on smaller things... Nevertheless a sequel will be welcome!

EDIT: Also, there is no need for a review of legend of the stone mountain campaign, IMO it was a newbies work, I can do much, much better. The eye-candy was terrible, and I fluked most of the good parts in it

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I'm nearly half way through scenario 4 now btw, and the last 3 are a lot shorter. I'm thinking of using BBalazs (sp?) AI in the first scenario of River God part 2, a big battle with the Upper Egytians.

Andrea: I nearly finished your last scenario, I made about 12 ballista towers and killed hundreds of suicidal chariots etc, but they kept coming and I eventually let a hero get killed (I think it was the cataphract). It was at 3 hours when I died. I had managed to stop their navy and surrounded them but I couldn't get any closer.

Fire Legion: I have been playing crystal blue river. It has some fairly big bugs.

1. I think you are supposed to go to the brown town to the north (your allies), but they are standing around the gate and I can't get in.

I found another way to get to the priest, I made a catapult and destroyed the yellow base in the centre then used it to scout out, and it reached a short swordsman in the green city (south).
2. I got up to the grey b/l priest in the forest but with virtually no units left. The heavy catapult doesn't work properly, most of the time it gets eaten by crocodiles before it can attack me.

One of Ingo's campaigns uses the same trick, but, well actually I have forgotten what happens, but it worked every time. If you had tested it I'm sure this would have come up, it would be a good idea to tweak it so that it works all the time. It is a very good campaign all the same, but little bugs like that are very annoying.

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Err, it is Don't play that campaign, I suggest you play the one that won SnakeEyes's contest.

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Well, during playtesting I didn't need to upgrade to ballista tower. Instead I trained 6/8 phalanxes and put them before a large group of Heavy Horse Archers. Then, when I was close to the Satraps (teal priests) I put some Chariot Archers in the brawl. Also, remember to research Coinage before gathering gold, so you'll produce more of it. If you're playing with the patched version of AoE you'll be advataged, since you'll have a better control over Catapults (they don't fire when you make them hold the position) and obviously hold your two heroes far from the fray so you won't lose them. Finally, use the awesome power of your flagship at your advantage by taking out all peripherals buildings which could train units.

I'm glad to know I've created a fairly hard siege scenario. Now, let's kick those Satraps' ass!

I've figured out how Ingo did the OR condition on individual victory in Mandate of Heaven (Chou Kung) w/o using the cpn extractor.

If you have an ally who has allied victory checked, you can make it have a set of victory conditions that will win it for you, the only catch is that one of them must be "destroy player", which can even be a single unit.

This is how he must have made M.O.H, you can either destroy a siege workshop or kill Mor Havoc (If I recall). Your ally, yellow, must have had all the same individual victory conditions as you, and the only difference is where you have destroy specific object it would have destroy player (perhaps I'm slightly wrong here, I haven't played this campaign for many months). This means you can have any number (up to the number of allies you have) of individual victory condition sets, as well as global.
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Oh hey Andrea, we posted at the same time

You should use this allied victory OR condition in your next campaign, but really expand on what Ingo did.

I'm gonna go kick some Satrap ass right now, this will be the last time they defeat me, afterall I am human and they are just clockwork! Yeehaw woopwoopwoopwop!

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Andrea Rosa
Can you change my Chinese Campaign to Historical Chinese Campaign.
And modifed the name to Tang Dynasty: Golden Age of China

So if you can change my Hittite Campaign to Shang Campaign "planning" or something along the lines as that... I'll give you more info as I progress

Thanks a bunch!

AyOhE

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1. It was a long time ago.

2. It can be finished.

Is the scenario I'm talking about possible Dr L.? It's the first one in "The Alliance #1". I thought there was some trick to it but I just kept dying. I started off following the axeman but he just killed me, then tried to find another way but everything is walled off, and whenever I try to do anything the priests convert me.

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It's much simpler than that. The barbarians have an impossible objective to bring the priest to their siege workshop. If you destroy either, the barbarians lose immediately because they cannot fulfil their objective anymore. This fulfils your objective to defeat the barbarians.

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Play on easiest, and the second scenario is dodgy, BTW.

I began my sc. design by testing all the individual victory conditions to see how they work, then I tried testing them all on an ally but nothing happened with your ally unless you were enemy, so I had discovered a way to make you lose instantly if you ever annoyed your ally (they have won from the start, but you are not enemies with them).

I found that they could actually win it for you but they could only do that by defeating a specific player, but then I realised that a player could be an object and they could now have any other individual victory condition as well.

This is an area that it seems nobody has used to it's fullest,(or they don't know how it works) and I intend to. Then again maybe your ally can win for you normally and it's just a bug on my computer

*passionately hates computer*

Anyway I've just reviewed 6 campaigns/scenarios etc this month, including... wait for it... Memories of the Gupta Dynasty. Is it 5 star material? Have a look in the reviews section once Phill has put them up. Good to see there are some new ones as well, like one on Alexander.

You should check out the new AoE campaign next to Andrea's too, I think it's called Rise of Jerusalem, it's a little gem, really hard too. In one scenario you have a priest converting your units that you can't kill or you lose! I'm hoping to try to herd him into a corner and give him a book to read

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I made the same mistake, Italian names remember

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I'm here, and I'm not poisoned. This because today is sunday, I've run out of beer and the store is closed. In other words, my only (and big) fear has come true

I look forward to read your review! Sorry, but I haven't checked the scx you sent me yet. I'll test it and send you an answer in a few days

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Oh gosh! I'm so sorry Andrea. That goes to show how little I know about other countries.

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Well as I was saying. In case you didnt see this (Andrea) I uh, dropped the Hittite Campaign. Dont hurt me!
Well anyways, I am starting a Shang Fantasy Campaign, that I actually have a whole story to use for it so it will be much easier than looking for historical context. So could you switch my campaign on the list at the top of the page. Thanks a bunch, I'll be sure to send you the first scenario via e-mail for you to test out.

Well I'm going off to play some AOK.

AyOhE

For now, good luck with your Shang campaign!

By the way I'm only working on the campaign "River God, Part I" not the whole thing. It will be a three part campaign with a sequel to follow. I have to read up now to find out what scenario 5 will be about, I have a rough idea but I need to reread the section to get the plan finished. Scenario #4 is on hold for a little while.

The campaign in AoK will be a single scenario fantasy campaign with a lot of humour and modern day parallels.

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I know thats what I plan to do.

Like Andrea said, it's a good campaign and you have a lot of potential as a designer. I'll post a review for it with the next lot, I've done 3 so far for the next month's lot, the best being "The Lava Men Saga" by Hero Patrick.

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It was by Dangrimm.

I could of taken credit for that one. lol

Hehehe, you flatter me, the 3rd scenario was the worst...I think the first scenario was the best of the lot. I'm also finished the 2nd scenario completely including storyline (just have ot put it into the scen intstructions now) and i'm happy to report that the map design and the time spent makign it are of a fer higher standard

Edit: by the way, did you try colonizing the islands where you find the majority of the artifacts before attempting to establish a beachead on the mainland? Thats probably the smartest way of approaching it, but that approach is soon to be removed when I remake the entire scenario from scratch, although it will be fairly similar in the challenges.

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I'm sure I've seen a campaign or something by AyOh, ah yes I think it was the "Minoan Maze" one, not quite as good as this but also showing potential. I think I reviewed that one.

I've tried everything Dangrimm, I just can't beat them! I was hoping all artifacts were on the islands.

Infact I thought it was impossible. I got 3 villies, right? They were locked in and the enemy always found them, especially when I attacked the wall, so I gave up, but then I played again and found a way, I built houses around them so the enemies couldn't get at them, then I smashed the wall out and ran.

I made it to iron but even after mining several thousand gold I just kept losing troops, and having no towers I couldn't do much.

I made my way in with a few phalanx, horse archers and st's, but they were always killed by the enemy, it always responded to me attacking any ally, so I couldn't attack anyone without getting hurt.

I eventually ran out of gold. I guess I should have tried to take out their stables etc first. Should I stop playing and wait for the update? I thought the second scenario was great, it was so hard, and I got smashed when I broke down the walls in the middle but I fought back and finally won using goldless units like bowmen

Overall it is a good campaign, not great but maybe 3.6, 3.8 material. It certainly isn't newbic.

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Yeah, I can give the excuse of that was my first scenario, and I never looked at all the scenario design stuff either. So hey gimme a break.

Legend of the Stone Mountain: Brotherly Deception

I am working on the 1st and 2nd scenario right now. (So if you want to update it Andrea )

And things are going pretty smoothly, I am roughly half way done on the terrain in the first scenario, and have to put all the units down and change all the options on the scenario, and I just started my 2nd scenario but have all the options set. And I'm actually having fun with this!

See my campaign topic for some River God narrative

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Quoted from AyOhE:

Of course it's wonderful when design goes on, and ideas keep comin'. I still remember when you posted you frustrated message, but now it seems those days are over

“Here we go old fellow, this won’t hurt a bit”
A warm strange smelling liquid is spread over your eyes with a brush.
“Dellilee” a weathered voice says.
“Nova Inca Astra Aight
Be gone fell evils, return his sight”

Thanks,
AyOhE

I'm working on two campaigns, one for about two years, and the other about a year. If you want, put them up and maybe in a few months one will be finished I don't have any dedicated threads on them. When I'm closer to completing them, I'll probably post for playtesters.

One would be considered historical but of course embellished for sword-clanging purposes. It's called The Unified Kingdom. Pretty much chronicles the 100-year reign of Saul, David, and Solomon from 1020 BC to 920 (roughly) in the ancient near-east. The plan is for six or seven scenarios. Some build and destroy, some FF, some standard but enhanced VCs I guess you'd call them, and hopefully the custom PER and AI files mesh right and it'll be challenging enough on hardest. A lot of time is spent making the map as accurate to the land as possible, and I'm making the bitmaps in a new way. Also, not all maps are oriented toward north, kind of wanted to utilize the AOE diamond map and fit the playing field to it. If anyone has seen a campaign in the campaign section under ROR called Rise of Israel, that was made as a run-up to this one.

The second one I'm working on is called Alexander Lives. I'm really excited to work on it, cuz I'm a nut for military history and Alexander. This is planned for five to seven scenarios, and two are complete. I really want to get the other one knocked down and get down to business on this campaign. I guess this wouldn't exactly be fantasy, but not exactly historical. Call it quasi-historical or sci-fi-hi if you will. This campaign starts where Alexander left off, drunk in Babylon. But here, the ten-horned beast doesn't die, and instead recovers. The scenarios are essentially the missions of what Alexander had planned for after his current stay in Babylon, and what was recorded by his advisors and events under way. Like in my other campaign, I'll put a lot of time into recreating the cities of the day, so hopefully it'll look and act like Ancient Greece.

I don't want to give much away, but I am going to try not embellish anything on this one. Just the fact that it's Alexander means a lot of stuff needs to be destroyed or built, so who needs embellishment! I will give two things away, though (since the rough drafts are done). 1-Alexander will try conquering Arabia. 2-Either Rome or Carthage will be obliterated, but not by the other! Of course you could always search for the relevant history on the Internet.

Hopefully I'll capture the intended spirit of Alexander's last plans and make it worth playing.

Good luck with your work on the campaigns. New ones are always coming in when I have the least time to play them, does that happen to anyone else?

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Sooo right! An interesting title is a good first step in hooking someone's attention.