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zapdotep
Clubman
posted 11-29-08 02:42 AM ET (US)   
» Improved Editor is now Composite Editor. Go there for newer, better stuff.
Improved Editor no longer available after April 30, 2009.

. . .

I've been working on an Improved Editor. Feature requests are welcome. (but time is very limited)

Wish list:
- Automatic Terrain Rendering
- Paint water on elevations
- Paint hidden terrains
- Invisible unit control (flares, cliffs, IDs, etc.)
- Unit placement on Fog and any other restricted terrains
- Flag rotation

Progress so far: (AoE)
- All buildings unlocked from grid
- All units placeable to the edge of the map
- All units can be placed densely

Progress so far: (RoR)
- All buildings unlocked from grid
- All units placeable to the edge of the map
- All units can be placed densely

Anyone wanna beta test? (available in Granary)
http://aoe.heavengames.com/dl-php/showfile.php?fileid=2150

There are many units in AoE, and lots of complex data. Though I go through the lists with great care, there is still a small chance that I missed something. If I seem to have missed anything, please post here. This is why it is still "BETA". It's not finished yet. If they're not brought to my attention, any bugs and omissions I don't notice could be left in the final product.

Many thanks go to Trisolo aka Scenario_T_C for making this possible with his awesome Enhanced Editor and AoedRoRd utilities!
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　Composite Editor 1.1 Rated 5.0 ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ (Utility)
　Coke vs. Pepsi Rated 4.4 ★ ★ ★ ★ ⅖ (Multi player scenario)
　The Map of the World (Real world map)
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[This message has been edited by zapdotep (edited 05-01-2009 @ 04:45 AM).]

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Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 11-29-08 03:33 AM ET (US)     1 / 107  
Awesome! This editor will be the pwniest ever!
I hope you can continue working on it soon!
//The warrior of Isola

"I lack quotes that demonstrate Humor Intelligence or anything about me."

Pineapplefish
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Nacht Jaeger
Clubman
(id: RCM7525)
posted 11-29-08 11:13 AM ET (US)     2 / 107  
Yeah, I got the list. I'll email it to you if you'll give me your address.
Nacht Jaeger - Ex AoEH Angel
PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 11-29-08 12:06 PM ET (US)     3 / 107  
When reading the title I thought you'd discovered more useful stuff for use in the editor, maybe unlocked the Unknown data? too bad

I have a edited terrain empires.dat which allows you to generate auto-swamps (Jungle tree forest on deep water, iirc, have not had any luck with editing other forest onto water terrain) which *might* be useful to add in this improved editor.

I would mostly still prefer hexing though when it comes to object placement, as it allows total control. I can confirm true/full/zero radius overlapping only works with Gaia - I initially thought it was possible through hexing, but it's not .
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zapdotep
Clubman
posted 11-29-08 12:29 PM ET (US)     4 / 107  
@Nacht Jaeger: My email is (clues to find out email address removed). Thank you!

@Phatfish: Do you realize it's significance??? Automatic Terrain Rendering!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!          
The best stuff I made for Age of Empires:
　Composite Editor 1.1 Rated 5.0 ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ (Utility)
　Coke vs. Pepsi Rated 4.4 ★ ★ ★ ★ ⅖ (Multi player scenario)
　The Map of the World (Real world map)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by zapdotep (edited 11-30-2008 @ 05:47 PM).]

Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 11-29-08 12:35 PM ET (US)     5 / 107  
Ah thanks tho this kind of works, AoE will never die. TY, Zappy.
MrCheeze
Clubman
posted 11-29-08 05:10 PM ET (US)     6 / 107  
Water on hills without the McCloud effect? Possible?
"Mrcheeze your genius but not quite a Gumble-kind-of genius." - Gumble
"We're all friendly here except MrCheeze but he means well" - Ninetales (Not exact words)
"Gumble has no words for you, you’re boring now. -underrated- that’s a joke, Gumble is OVERSTATED." - Gumble
(Not even sure what he was saying there)
Axoren
Clubman
posted 11-29-08 05:46 PM ET (US)     7 / 107  
-Deletable Shallows
-Special Terrain Control (being able to place fog and other special tiles)
-Better Dead Body Placement
-Unit Dismemberment that doesn't affect Gameplay
-Fix the Gaia (Duplicate) Ruin so that it shows up.

A possible language dll to accompany it:
-Renaming Duplicate Units to prevent conflicts in Individual Victory, such as 2 different Town Centers, destroy them both, only counts as 1.
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zapdotep
Clubman
posted 11-29-08 06:06 PM ET (US)     8 / 107  
Water on hills - Some of these things are likely to be in the exe so I can't fix them.

Deleting shallows - Shallows can be deleted, it is the patched exe that prevents this. Using the original version allows deletion of shallows.

Better dead body placement - Done! (included under "all units can be placed densely")

Unit dismemberment - no.

Fix Gaia beta ruin - will look into it (I think it is possible to make it appear in the editor but it will become invisible again when you play)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!          
The best stuff I made for Age of Empires:
　Composite Editor 1.1 Rated 5.0 ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ (Utility)
　Coke vs. Pepsi Rated 4.4 ★ ★ ★ ★ ⅖ (Multi player scenario)
　The Map of the World (Real world map)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HMFSFM
Clubman
(id: Da KiLLeR)
posted 11-29-08 07:00 PM ET (US)     9 / 107  
this sounds great
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MrCheeze
Clubman
posted 11-29-08 07:05 PM ET (US)     10 / 107  
Fix the ruin even if it does change gameplay, like trisolo did with the horse.
"Mrcheeze your genius but not quite a Gumble-kind-of genius." - Gumble
"We're all friendly here except MrCheeze but he means well" - Ninetales (Not exact words)
"Gumble has no words for you, you’re boring now. -underrated- that’s a joke, Gumble is OVERSTATED." - Gumble
(Not even sure what he was saying there)
PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 11-30-08 09:28 AM ET (US)     11 / 107  
- All buildings unlocked from grid
Does this include non-Gaia (Player) buildings ?!?!?!?
Automatic Terrain Rendering
It should be possible to replace any forest terrain object with others (Trisolo mentioned he could make it so that building foundations could be rendered using the Terrain option), I wouldn't know how to this myself though.

I will send you my swamp-gen empires.dat - you need to use the default original (backed up) empires.dat to see the full effect, as it renders grass tiles (with deep water borders), the grass tile switches to deep water with the original empires.dat.
Water on hills without the McCloud effect? Possible?
This can be done quite easely with hex-editing, anywhere on the map. I don't think this can be achieved using a edited empires.dat.

Would like to test out the beta when it's available
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MrCheeze
Clubman
posted 11-30-08 12:24 PM ET (US)     12 / 107  
Yeah, but so can terrain rendering.
"Mrcheeze your genius but not quite a Gumble-kind-of genius." - Gumble
"We're all friendly here except MrCheeze but he means well" - Ninetales (Not exact words)
"Gumble has no words for you, you’re boring now. -underrated- that’s a joke, Gumble is OVERSTATED." - Gumble
(Not even sure what he was saying there)
zapdotep
Clubman
posted 11-30-08 02:31 PM ET (US)     13 / 107  
Unlocked buildings includes all Gaia and player buildings and walls.

I have little over two hours left. No new features will be researched today. Probably won't get to RoR. (still waiting for unit list) Should I email or upload beta?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!          
The best stuff I made for Age of Empires:
　Composite Editor 1.1 Rated 5.0 ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ (Utility)
　Coke vs. Pepsi Rated 4.4 ★ ★ ★ ★ ⅖ (Multi player scenario)
　The Map of the World (Real world map)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nacht Jaeger
Clubman
(id: RCM7525)
posted 11-30-08 03:04 PM ET (US)     14 / 107  
Automatic Terrain Rendering
I would still do this by hand. It seems like this would take part of the personal touch out of designing.
Nacht Jaeger - Ex AoEH Angel
zapdotep
Clubman
posted 11-30-08 03:17 PM ET (US)     15 / 107  
Nacht! Send list! Please hurry!

edit: I have received it. Thanks!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!          
The best stuff I made for Age of Empires:
　Composite Editor 1.1 Rated 5.0 ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ (Utility)
　Coke vs. Pepsi Rated 4.4 ★ ★ ★ ★ ⅖ (Multi player scenario)
　The Map of the World (Real world map)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by zapdotep (edited 11-30-2008 @ 09:27 PM).]

MrCheeze
Clubman
posted 11-30-08 04:40 PM ET (US)     16 / 107  
You could tell us how to do it if you run out of time.
"Mrcheeze your genius but not quite a Gumble-kind-of genius." - Gumble
"We're all friendly here except MrCheeze but he means well" - Ninetales (Not exact words)
"Gumble has no words for you, you’re boring now. -underrated- that’s a joke, Gumble is OVERSTATED." - Gumble
(Not even sure what he was saying there)
zapdotep
Clubman
posted 11-30-08 08:58 PM ET (US)     17 / 107  
Nah, it would take longer to write the procedure than to just do it.

Uploading beta. (AoE only) I will work on the RoR version if I have time after homework.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!          
The best stuff I made for Age of Empires:
　Composite Editor 1.1 Rated 5.0 ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ (Utility)
　Coke vs. Pepsi Rated 4.4 ★ ★ ★ ★ ⅖ (Multi player scenario)
　The Map of the World (Real world map)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by zapdotep (edited 11-30-2008 @ 09:03 PM).]

PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 12-01-08 07:34 AM ET (US)     18 / 107  
Unlocked buildings includes all Gaia and player buildings and walls
Awesome! Not being able to do this with hexing (although it might be possible to edit after using the improved editor) makes the new editor really useful, hats off for this amazing breakthrough!

I agree with Nacht Jaeger that there's nothing like creating terrain features yourself, I reckon the swampgen would be mostly useful for quickly painting/generating large area's of (dull) swamp.

Sent you the swampgen
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MrCheeze
Clubman
posted 12-01-08 05:23 PM ET (US)     19 / 107  
*Is at a loss of words*
"Mrcheeze your genius but not quite a Gumble-kind-of genius." - Gumble
"We're all friendly here except MrCheeze but he means well" - Ninetales (Not exact words)
"Gumble has no words for you, you’re boring now. -underrated- that’s a joke, Gumble is OVERSTATED." - Gumble
(Not even sure what he was saying there)
Nacht Jaeger
Clubman
(id: RCM7525)
posted 12-01-08 05:26 PM ET (US)     20 / 107  
Is that good or bad?
Nacht Jaeger - Ex AoEH Angel
MrCheeze
Clubman
posted 12-01-08 05:35 PM ET (US)     21 / 107  
Good, of course!

Help, my dock is on fire!
"Mrcheeze your genius but not quite a Gumble-kind-of genius." - Gumble
"We're all friendly here except MrCheeze but he means well" - Ninetales (Not exact words)
"Gumble has no words for you, you’re boring now. -underrated- that’s a joke, Gumble is OVERSTATED." - Gumble
(Not even sure what he was saying there)
Mapppp
Clubman
(id: Jimmy2)
posted 12-01-08 05:38 PM ET (US)     22 / 107  
Y'know, that looks really neat. It could be a tribal walkway lit by torches. Nice forest, too.

Also, all hail zapdotep, for unlocking all buildings!
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[This message has been edited by Mapppp (edited 12-01-2008 @ 05:39 PM).]

Nacht Jaeger
Clubman
(id: RCM7525)
posted 12-01-08 05:41 PM ET (US)     23 / 107  
@Zappy: The list I sent you was for RoR.
Nacht Jaeger - Ex AoEH Angel
zapdotep
Clubman
posted 12-01-08 08:15 PM ET (US)     24 / 107  
I did get started on RoR, using your list, but I have homework.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!          
The best stuff I made for Age of Empires:
　Composite Editor 1.1 Rated 5.0 ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ (Utility)
　Coke vs. Pepsi Rated 4.4 ★ ★ ★ ★ ⅖ (Multi player scenario)
　The Map of the World (Real world map)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Axoren
Clubman
posted 12-02-08 06:24 AM ET (US)     25 / 107  
Killable horses?
[/Your Reign]
Take that, Player 2!
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