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Topic Subject: Mayan Culture Outline for Next AOM XP/AOM2
posted 06-30-04 06:27 AM EDT (US)   
THE MAYA

The Maya are the most scientific of Age of Mythology's cultures: they
research technologies the quickest, and techs are slightly cheaper. This
means that they can advance through the Ages quicker than their Greek,
Egyptian, Norse, and Atlantean counterparts.

The Maya are also fond of astronomy, and thusly Mayan players don't
have to worry about black maps; unexplored territory is covered only
in Fog of War. Mayan units, especially the Shamans, also have the most
expansive LOS.

Mayan military units are the fastest in the game and they also put up a
decent (although not remarkable) fight on land. Although the Maya cannot
create cavalry, many of their military units are fairly skilled in countering
such units. However, Mayan ships also tend to have a weaker attack than
those of other cultures. But Mayan ships are also very swift, thus
compensating for their meek fighting skills.

The Mayan hero is the Shaman, who is not only good against Myth Units,
he is also a crucial actor in the Mayan method of gaining favor. To
collect Favor, you must send the Shaman to somewhere near enemy
units, then have him enslave them; that is, have him waving his arms
chanting something until the enemy units change into Slaves. Slaves in the
game are like goats and pigs, except they contain Favor rather than Food.
Next, have the Shaman sacrifice (kill) one of the Slaves. After the sacrificial
ritual has been performed, he with harvest Favor from the Slave's carcass and
carry it back to the Temple, just like a villager gathers food.

Mayan Mortal Units

Peasant
The Mayan villager unit. The Peasant doesn't carry as much as the Citizen,
Gatherer, Laborer, or Villager, but s/he does cut down trees and kill animals
more easily.
Created At: Town Center

Slave
Simply a source of Favor for the Maya, the Slave can be herded to your
Temple and sacrificed by a Shaman.
Created At: Where enemy units have been transformed into Slaves by
the Shaman's magic

Merchant
The caravan unit for the Maya, he carries goods in a large sack which
he unloads at the Market.
Created At: Where enemy units have been transformed into Slaves by
the Shaman's magic

Shaman
The Mayan Hero unit, Shamans are the main means of gathering Favor
(see above). They are also very good against Myth Units.
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Myth Units

Eagle Warrior
The basic Mayan infantry unit, the Eagle Warrior is a swift-footed
warrior that makes a excellent scout as well as a tool against enemy infantry.
Created At: Warrior-Training Base
Good Against: Infantry & Cavalry
Counter With: Archers

Eagle Warrior
The basic Mayan infantry unit, the Eagle Warrior is a swift-footed
warrior that makes a excellent scout as well as a tool against enemy infantry.
Created At: Warrior-Training Base
Good Against: Infantry & Cavalry
Counter With: Archers

Javelineer
As the Mayans' basic archer unit, the Javelineer can throw spears with
ferocious frequency and also has great range, although his attack is not
as powerful as that of other basic archers.
Created At: Warrior-Training Base
Good Against: Infantry
Counter With: Balamob Slingers

Balamob Slinger
The Mayan version of the counter-archer unit, but the Balamob Slinger
also has a slight bonus against cavalry.
Created At: Warrior-Training Base
Good Against: Archers & Cavalry
Counter With: Infantry

Macana Warrior
The most expensive of the Mayan infantry units, the Macana Warrior
gets his name from his weapon, a flat, wooden club shaped like a cricket
bat, albeit with obsidian points jutting out of the edges. While he is the most
effective soldier of his culture when it comes to fighting foot units, his weakness
is cavalry.
Created At: Tecpan
Good Against: All foot units
Counter With: Cavalry

Torch-Carrier
Although he is the only siege weapon the Maya can create, the Torch Carrier
is perhaps the fastest of the lot, and, unlike most other siege weapons, he can
defend himself when surrounded by cavalry and infantry.
Created At: Tecpan
Good Against: Buildings
Counter With: Archers

Fishing Ship
The main means to gather Food way out in the sea, and nothing more or
less.
Created At: Dock

Transport Ship
Speedy canoe that can carry units quickly and fly by enemy naval units with
minimal harm.
Created At: Dock

Acali
Fast canoe that fires arrows rapidly, although the impact is weak compared
to other arrow ships
Created At: Dock
Good Against: Hammer Ships
Counter With: Siege Ships

Macana Canoe
Swift hammer ship loaded with macana-brandishing warriors that will hack
at the bark of adjacent ships.
Created At: Dock
Good Against: Siege Ships
Counter With: Arrow Ships

Slinger Canoe
Quick siege ship that fires rocks at passing enemy ships; not as strong
as other siege ships but a lot faster.
Created At: Dock
Good Against: Arrow Ships
Counter With: Hammer Ships

Mayan Myth Units

Chaneque
Jungle-dwelling spirit that may transform into a terrifying monster to scare
away the enemy's soul, killing the enemy instantly.
Minor God: Itzamna
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

Chupacabra
Small demon that feeds off the blood of its enemies. Its special attack
consists of the monster leaping at an enemy's throat and drinking his blood,
gaining hitpoints for every one taken by the enemy aggressed against.
Minor God: Cit Bolum Tum
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

Were-Jaguar
Half-human, half-jaguar monster who can sprint up to the speed of light
as its special manuever.
Minor God: Kinich Ahau
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

Raptor
Agile saurian predator that can pounce on an enemy unit and immediately
kill it.
Minor God: Cizin
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

Giant Bat
Huge bat that can dive at and quickly kill enemy units, but is particularly
strong against other air units like the Phoenix, Roc, and Caldria, using a
high-pitched squeal to stun them.
Minor God: Cizin
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units, Aerial Myth Units
Counter With: Heroes

Llorona
Crying woman whose wailing may send a forcefield that protects here from
harm.
Minor God: Ixtab
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

Nagual
Spirit that have no attack on their own but may possess assorted animals,
thusly turning the hosts into savage monsters.
Minor God: Tzultacaj
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

T-Rex
Gigantic predatory dinosaur whose roar raises the morale of your own troops
and diminshes that of surrounding enemies. Also can kill smaller units with one
bite.
Minor God: Nacon
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

Chiccan
Water-dwelling serpents that swim under the ocean surface and churn
the water, causing any ships passing through to fall over.
Minor God: Chac Uayab Xoc
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

Thunderbird
Huge eagle that creates bolts of lightning that instantly kill any ground units in the vicinity.
Minor God: Chac Uayab Xoc
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

Spider Woman
Part arachnid, part female human monster that wraps thread around their
victims, and then takes a bite out of them to regenerate their own health.
Minor God: Mam
Created At: Temple
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

Titan
A gargantuan monster that is very powerful and hard to kill.
NOTE: Although all Titans have identical stats, not all Mayan Titans look
alike. Their appearemce as well as special attack depend on your Major
God; followers of Kukulcan get a giant, feathered rattlesnake that delivers extremely powerful bites, followers of Chaac get a massive anaconda that uses its
tail to whack away enemies, and disciples of Yum Cimil get a big, animated
T-Rex skeleton whose roar can blow away enemy human units.
Minor God: Anyone
Created At: Titan Gate
Good Against: Human Units
Counter With: Heroes

Mayan Major Gods

KUKULCAN
Feathered serpent-god of wind.
God Power: Hurricane (huge storm that blows away ships; must be cast on
water)
Myth Unit: N/A
Technology: Kukulcan's Return (Shamans gather 50% more Favor)
Bonuses: Religious technologies are cheaper, Myth Units have more HP,
and Shamans are trained quicker

CHAAC
Water-snake god of rain.
God Power: Epithytes (causes jungle vines to consume a Town Center,
eroding its HPs until they die; must be cast on rival Town Centers)
Myth Unit: N/A
Technology: Rainforest Mist (Farms produce 50% more food)
Bonuses: Peasants have more HP, Farms take less time to seed, and
buildings are less expensive

ITZAMNA
God of creation
God Power: Fossilization (all enemy human units in the vicinity of where the
spell is cast turn into dead fossil skeletons that may be harvested for Gold)
Myth Unit: N/A
Technology: Ball Games (military units have increased attack)
Bonuses: Military units are faster, Tecpans have more HPs, and
technologies improving military units are cheaper

Mayan Minor Gods

Age 2:

Ix Chel
Goddess of the moon.
Available to: Kukulcan, Chaac
God Power: Confusion (enemy units in the vicinity of where the spell is
cast walk around in random directions)
Myth Unit: Chaneque
Technology: Jungle Night (upgrades Chaneques into more powerful
Oztochaneques)

Cit Bolon Tum
God of medicine.
Available to: Chaac, Itzamna
God Power: Malaria (spawns a swarm of mosquitos that kill off any unit they
cross paths with)
Myth Unit: Chupacabra
Technology: Goatsucker (upgrades Chupacabras into swifter El
Chupacabras)

Kinich Ahau
Jaguar god of the sun.
Available to: Kukulcan, Itzamna
God Power: Heatwave (causes all Farms to evaporate from view)
Myth Unit: Were-Jaguar
Technology: El Tigre (upgrades Were-Jaguars into mightier Alpha
Were-Jaguars)

Age 3:

Zipacna
Underworld demon
Available to: Kukulcan, Chaac
God Power: Volcano (creates a volcano that excretes rivers of lava that
burn anything in the way)
Myth Units: Raptor, Giant Bat
Technologies: Raptor Red (upgrades Raptors into tougher Alpha Raptors), Vampirism (turns Giant Bats into faster Vampire Bats)

Ixtab
Goddess of suicide and the hung.
Available to: Chaac, Yum Cimil
God Power: Stampede (causes a herd of panicking tapirs
to run across the map, trampling everything in their way, including
enemy units)
Myth Units: Llorona
Technology: Hijos Mios (upgrades Lloronas to La Lloronas, who keep
their forcefields for longer after they create them)

Xaman Ek
God of the North Star and protector of merchants.
Available to: Kukulcan, Itzamna
God Power: Avalanche (causes a load of rocks to crash down on an indicated
building; must be cast on an enemy building)
Myth Units: Nagual
Technology: Lycanthropy (animals possessed by the Nagual are
more powerful)

Age 4:

Ek Chuah
God of war
Available to: Kukulcan, Chaac
God Power: Invincibility (grants your warriors temporary invulnerability)
Myth Units: T-Rex
Technology: Sharptooth (upgrades T-Rexes to tougher T-Imperators)


Chaac Uayab Xoc
Shark god of fish
Available to: Itzamna, Chaac
God Power: Shark Attack (causes sharks to circle around an enemy boat and
take a bite out of the vessel; must be cast on enemy boats)
Myth Units: Thunderbird, Chiccan
Technologies: Tsunami (Chiccans are upgraded to Great Chiccans, who
have more hitpoints), Sound of Thunder (Thunderbirds are upgraded to nastier
Stormbirds that release more lightning bolts at a time)

The Hero Twins
Hunahpu and Ixbalanque from the Popul Vuh (not really gods, but still powerful figures)
Available to: Kukulcan, Itzamna
God Power: El Dorado (permanently turns all your buildings into gold
structures, thusly allowing you to slowly generate more gold as time
passes.)
Myth Units: Spider Woman
Technologies: Arachnaphobia (Spider Women are upgraded to faster
Tarantula Women)

Mayan Buildings


Town Center
Where villagers are created; built over a Settlement and a boost to your
Population Limit.
Created in: Age 1

Temple
Where Shamans and Myth Units are created; also a drop-off point for Favor
gathered from slain Slaves. Required to advance to the Classical Age.
Created in: Age 1

House
A boost to your Population Limit, and nothing more. You can only build
10 houses.
Created in: Age 1

Dock
Where all naval units are created and upgraded at.
Created in: Age 1

Storage Yard
Where food, gold, and wood are dropped off at.
Created in: Age 2

Farm
Where infinite food can be gathered.
Created in: Age 2

Armory
Where armor improvements can be researched; required to move on
to the Heroic Age
Created in: Age 2

Warrior-Training Base
Where infantry and archers are created and upgraded.
Created in: Age 2

Tecpan
Where siege weapons and Macana Warriors are created and upgraded.
Created in: Age 3

Market
Where things can be bought and sold, and where Merchants
are created and upgraded. Required to enter the Mythic Age.
Created in: Age 3

Wonder
Grand monuments that can help you win in Supremacy Games if they
are intact or at least unrazed.
Create in: Age 4

Wildlife

Peccary: Smaller cousin of the wild boar; weaker attack yet much faster

Tapir: Large, trunk-bearing cousin of the rhinoceros, the tapir provides a lot of meat.

Rattlesnake: Small predatory reptile that leaps out from the undergrowth to chomp on your Peasants.

Jaguar: Swift big cat that likes the taste of human flesh.

Caiman: Swifter cousin of the crocodile; commonly found on riverbanks.

Macaw: Colorful bird flying above the rainforest canopy.


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posted 06-30-04 10:58 AM EDT (US)     1 / 21  
Well... in the matter of Gods, I can't tell you anything right away, seems alright, but the myth units apart from the Chaneque are completely made-up and have nothing to do with the Maya.

Some examples:

-The T-Rex is a prehistoric creature. Just wanted to point that out even more.

-There was no such thing as a were-jaguar.

-The chupacabras was an animal "created" by the mexican governement in 1994, that supposedly sucked the blood out of the goat cattle. The whole sham was made up only so people wouldn't focus so much on the incredible economic crisis the country was passing through. So basically... no.


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posted 06-30-04 12:39 PM EDT (US)     2 / 21  

Quote:

Well... in the matter of Gods, I can't tell you anything right away, seems alright, but the myth units apart from the Chaneque are completely made-up and have nothing to do with the Maya.
Some examples:

-The T-Rex is a prehistoric creature. Just wanted to point that out even more.

-There was no such thing as a were-jaguar.

-The chupacabras was an animal "created" by the mexican governement in 1994, that supposedly sucked the blood out of the goat cattle. The whole sham was made up only so people wouldn't focus so much on the incredible economic crisis the country was passing through. So basically... no.

I admit that it was hard to come up with Mayan MUs, so I took some MUs from neighboring cultures such as the Aztecs (a few of them are based on MUs suggested in the lengthy Aztec Outline you made). The T-Rex is there to fit the "big monster" niche for the Maya, and I felt they would work better than the two-headed Aztec monsters I was originally intending, since they are larger and more menacing, and they fit rather well with the serpent-god theme for Chaac and Kukulcan. Besides, who wouldn't want to send a huge army of ravenous tyrannosaurs to munch on your enemy's populace? MUHAHAHAHAHA...


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posted 07-02-04 00:34 AM EDT (US)     3 / 21  
Funny, barely anyone noticed this thread...

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posted 07-03-04 04:19 PM EDT (US)     4 / 21  
That would be ok. But i bleive if they were to do this that it should AOM2 NOT another x-pack. Mainly because AOM 2 would be a whole new game and i dont think it would be a good idea making it an x-pack because combining Greeks, Norse, etc.. with Mayans would not be good at all. They are too far away and the campagins would not make sense. However if it was AOM2 and it revolved around Mayans, Aztecs, etc.. only and not with Europe and Asia it would be a good game and a good story could made out of it!.
posted 07-12-04 05:26 PM EDT (US)     5 / 21  
Uh, just saw this thread, well, the gods seem fine, though I would recommend you to change either Yum Cimil or Cizin because both are pretty similar gods if not the same actually, also Itzamna is not a god of the moon, he's more a creator god, a god of the sky, of wisdom and a civilizer god, in fact he's one of the principal gods of maya mythology so he should be a major god, also Tzultacaj and Chaac Uayab Xoc should be changed because they weren't very important and there are others of greater importance that could replace them.
About the myth units, well no chupacabras, lloronas, thunderbirds and definetly no raptors or t-rexes in maya mythology, the titans are also inadequate.
Another thing, you should probably change the shaman name to something more appropiate like Ahau or even Alach Uinic which was like the maya king.
Well, I hope this helps...

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posted 07-13-04 01:51 AM EDT (US)     6 / 21  
T-Rex? And you might not want to use "Warrior-Training Base"

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posted 07-13-04 12:25 PM EDT (US)     7 / 21  
QUOTE BY Osiris_the_Ruler
That would be ok. But i bleive if they were to do this that it should AOM2 NOT another x-pack. Mainly because AOM 2 would be a whole new game and i dont think it would be a good idea making it an x-pack because combining Greeks, Norse, etc.. with Mayans would not be good at all. They are too far away and the campagins would not make sense. However if it was AOM2 and it revolved around Mayans, Aztecs, etc.. only and not with Europe and Asia it would be a good game and a good story could made out of it!.

Just saw the post, and I agree about making a new AoM game that had the Mayas, Aztecs, Incas, etc. That would be pretty cool, but definitely not an x-pack because that would make NO SENSE whatsoever!!!

posted 07-14-04 01:21 AM EDT (US)     8 / 21  
Great post but may I add a few suggestions. As with favor gathering it should be as so, sacrficing any chosen unit of your own at the temple (Except MU's and Shamans) the more valuable the unit the more favor.
As for the titan, Tenochittlan or whatever his name was, was a giant serpent thing.

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posted 07-14-04 12:51 PM EDT (US)     9 / 21  
Tenochtitlan was a the capital city of the Aztecs, the "giant serpent thing" you refer to is Kukulkan(maya version of Quetzalcoatl) however even though the name means feathered serpent, this god doesn't always appear as this mythical animal, so no all feathered serpent is Kukulkan...

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posted 07-21-04 03:04 PM EDT (US)     10 / 21  
A few people have mentioned that they think this should be a completely different game, and not an x-pack, and I just wanted to say that I agree, however, I think that the two games should somehow be made compatible with each other for multiplayer games on ESO.

Also, I would like to add my dislike of the use of dinosaurs as myth units, as some here have already done.


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posted 07-21-04 03:13 PM EDT (US)     11 / 21  
posted 07-21-04 05:42 PM EDT (US)     12 / 21  
no it wouldnt that would suck

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posted 07-21-04 06:45 PM EDT (US)     13 / 21  
Why? If you hate them just don't put them in your scenarios.

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posted 07-23-04 02:57 AM EDT (US)     14 / 21  
It was good!

but the part about KUKULCAN being a featherd serpent, sounds wrong, because that is Quezalcoatl! And Quezalcoatl is the god och wind and peace!


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posted 07-23-04 03:06 PM EDT (US)     15 / 21  
Well, basically Kukulkan is the maya version of Quetzalcoatl (Central Mexico) So they're pretty much the same, they both are gods of the wind and are related to the feathered serpent, and since this is a Maya civ. then Kukulkan is the correct thing, ok?

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posted 07-23-04 04:49 PM EDT (US)     16 / 21  
Zalp is right. Actually the Myth says Quetzalcoatl, after being tricked into getting drunk and being with a woman, escaped form his city and went to Mayapan (land of the Maya) before sailing towards the East on his snake raft.

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posted 07-23-04 10:20 PM EDT (US)     17 / 21  

Quote:

Uh, just saw this thread, well, the gods seem fine, though I would recommend you to change either Yum Cimil or Cizin because both are pretty similar gods if not the same actually, also Itzamna is not a god of the moon, he's more a creator god, a god of the sky, of wisdom and a civilizer god, in fact he's one of the principal gods of maya mythology so he should be a major god, also Tzultacaj and Chaac Uayab Xoc should be changed because they weren't very important and there are others of greater importance that could replace them.

Any ideas on what gods could replace Tzultacaj (I like CHX's GP so I think I should keep him, but there's little info I could find on Tzultacaj).

Anyway, while I said earlier that Mayan God Techs were oriented on MUs rather than human units, I've decided to change that and add some extra God Techs, but I'm short on ideas...


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posted 07-24-04 11:02 AM EDT (US)     18 / 21  
I really think you should change those 2 gods: Tzultacaj and Chaac Uayab Xoc, and also either Cizin or Yum Cimil because they're the same god, and Itzamna should be a major god I insist, some options for the new gods could be:
IxChel: Moon and earth goddess, wife of Itzamna, patroness of women labors.
Ek Chuah: God of commerce and also of war.
Xaman Ek: God of the north star and holiness, and protector of traders, merchants and other travelers.
Hurakan: Ancient god of storms, in the Popol Vuh he's mentioned as a creator god floating over the sea.
Votan: The old black god, there's little information about him but it seems that he was kind of important at some period, he is sometimes mentioned as husband of Ixchel and as a god related to warfare, death and drums.
Hunab Ku: A supreme god, there seems to be no depiction of him, he's mentioned as the father of Itzamna.

About Chaac Uayab Xoc power, well I don't know how useful could that be in a scenario with no water or no ships, and again I tell you he wasn't that important as a god, and certainly not for a 4 age god.
And again I tell you about those myth units, I love dinosaurs but they don't fit here at all so please change them, and the same goes to the others I mentioned in the other post, chupacabra, llorona, thunderbird, etc.... change them


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posted 07-24-04 12:13 PM EDT (US)     19 / 21  
This looks awesome, I have an AOM2 topic can I use these ideas?

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posted 07-25-04 02:45 AM EDT (US)     20 / 21  

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This looks awesome, I have an AOM2 topic can I use these ideas?

You have my full permission.


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posted 07-25-04 11:09 AM EDT (US)     21 / 21  
Thanx Underpants man!

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