It's too late in development to add a whole new civ.

By all means put them in the addon, but really, its somewhat late to add another nation in.

...Not to mention it would mean that AOE3 would take longer to be released due to the fact they need to balance all the nations again, just for the sake of Sweden.

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...I was going to comment on that 'reason', by i'm going to hold myself.

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From a historical standpoint norsemen were the first Europeans known to have colonized the new world. I'm talking back as far as Eric the red and Lief Ericson. We have archological eveidence for this. We have the "mythological" story of Quetzalcoatl who was described in human incarnation has having lite eyes, lite skin and a red beard.

I see no reason why more civ's cannot be added to the game as it seems that the game will not really be released untill christmas. They could add a couple more civ's if they wanted to. Carefully constructed new civ's could be added wihtout throwing off the balance of the game. Simply don't make anything about the new civ so overwhelming.

To the OP. You should have started a poll on this instead of a thread. That seems to be what this has become instead of a petiontion.

(or at least I hope so)

See reasons in other forummer posts.

i say no too.

1. takes time
2. other civs should then be in too
3. takes more time
4. i wouldnt add anything to the game

Way too far in development. To even think of the Swedes means waiting another year longer beyond it's current set release date.

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(A hopeless YES)

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couldnt tell it better

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And I too vote no.

Read Sweden's history during this time, they were never a naval power and had enough problems with Russia and Finland back at home.

Here's a picture of Sweden (yellow country) in 1814.

Norway had a non-aggresive relation to Sweden at the time, but it had been a forced one and the mood was not a happy one. Also Denmark there was not an enemy of Sweden but were not good neighbors either after been forced to ceded land to Sweden as a result of Napolean. Russia was always a bother to Sweden and had already had a few wars with them. The Swedes had their hands full already without the colonization of the New World.

Also simple geography worked against them. Despite the seemingly large amount of coastline the Baltics at the time were dangerous and difficult to navigate, meaning ships were not widely used (and explaining Imperial Russia's great drive to control the Balkans for an open port). Norway, Finland, or Sweden (and Russia even) did very little boating in the Baltics, meaning Sweden would probably never had the seamanship, boats, or navy for such an endevour to the New World.

The Ottomans had everything they needed for colonizing. A nazy, open ports, soldiers, population for immigration, all they needed was motivation, which they didn't have due to the good trade routes which they controlled, and everyone else wanted. So everyone went the other way resulting in the discovery of the Americas.

Anyways it's too far into development of the game.

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On a side note, the depiction of the Vikings in AoK wasn't even close... they did not have horned helmets like that.

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Thanks, someone needed to say it.

WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!

(I'm not saying the Swedes should feel like French with a different accent, but if we tried to cram them in the game without the resources to do it right, that's how they'd end up feeling.)

I know the Swedes have more right (whatever that means) than the Germans or Ottomans to be in the game, but when we started to think about the Swedish units and what the Swedes would do, we realized they weren't going to feel nearly as different from civs like the Dutch and French as other civs would.

Like I said before, maybe in an Xpack. I'd love to see Stockholm as a Home City.