To all ES employees:

Great game! :-)

ES always tries to get rid of every bug in the game. So I'm pretty sure they will get rid of the bugs in the SE soon

[This message has been edited by Vortexian (edited 10-30-2005 @ 04:42 AM).]

The editor will always have bugs, and no they are not selling an unfinished project. As they have stated many times, the scen editor is just an extra, it really isnt part of the normal game. All companies I know of do this. The scen editor is just an unsupported tool....

"All companies I know of do this."

Firaxis and Blizzard support fix and update their editors. =/

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Yes, but the games released by those companies are built around the editor, AOE3 wasn't. AoE3's scenarios and campaign may have been done in the editor, but thats about it. The editor is an UN-SUPORTED TOOL. They might fix bugs in a patch, or wait and do it in the Xpack.

[This message has been edited by The_Assimilator (edited 10-30-2005 @ 04:40 PM).]

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Initially, I planned to spend around $1,000 to buy a brandnew computer system, and get the game as soon as it is released, so that I can design with the editor.

But after I found out that the camera pitch editor doesn't even work as it was supposed to like the one from AoM: TT, and the effect to modify unit isn't working properly, and rumors that ES have no plan to support the Editor with patches, I've decided to put my purchase on hold until I can be sure that I will be able to design using a functional Editor.

You were thinking about buying a new computer just so you can make your own scenarios?

Assimilator , Blizzard and Firaxis still get most of their sales from single players, just as Age of game...

They just chose to support something that they created. That is the only difference. Makes sense...

[This message has been edited by Realn (edited 10-30-2005 @ 05:05 PM).]

In AOK scenarios were extremely popular. It expands the lifetime of the game because people who don't play online can play scenarios other people made. A lot of online players do not like playing standard games either and like to play scenarios more than RM.

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Yes. My 6 year-old computer cannot handle AoE3 . Designing and playing custom scenarios are my main reasons for wanting to buy AoE3.

Modify unit doesn't work properly? And they are not going to fix it? How the heck are we going to make scenarios?

ES, fix these bugs. Chat Contains, espiacally. This is ridiculous. Really, I used to have much more respect for ES- I stand by my opinion that AoM was really a better game only because of the quality work that went into it.

AoE3 is damn fun, but you can tell right away ES didn't put as much effort in adding the icing to the cake- there are too many things missing in this game.

Including triggers.

I really do hope that someone fixes the bugs in the editor. Whether it be ES or a really good modder, I don't care. And if I have to PAY ES to fix it, I will be willing to help support their design team.

One thing about bugs is that you can't test on every platform. I've had errors that others haven't had and undoubtedly vice versa, that's why patches take time as well as the thought process. The fact that I still see ES guys on is great, and not only on forums, but in the game, so it's just a matter of time.

If there are flat-out bugs with the editor, just report them and we'll put them in the hopper to be fixed. That doesn't guarantee a specific timetable for a fix, obviously, but we will look at it.

For example, I'm not sure what the camera pitch bug is (didn't know there was one) and I'm not sure what triggers are missings (since we ported over every Titans triggers and added a bunch). Let us know what you guys want fixed and we'll look at it fixing it.

I don't recall who made the infamous "Don't expect a patch for the editor" statement, but I'm pretty sure they were referring to it being unlikely that we would be adding hordes of new features to the editor, etc. But, if there are bugs that are killing it for you guys, we want to fix those.

dave

I sure hope they fix some of the major bugs in the editor. The editor is one of the reasons why I brought this game.

-SilDis

Thank you for replying, Bigdog!

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To save you time, here is a thread on editor bugs that many people have encounter.

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Bigdog, in AoM:TT, there were these commands to turn on/off the camera pitch limiting:

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AoE3 also has these commands, but they don't work. Without them, it's not possible to change the camera angle. And as the result, the cool aspect of movie making in AoE3 is pretty much out the door . Could this be patch, please?

On the camera thing, it's possible those got nuked in the final build as part of our security/anti-cheating pass. I'll look into it.

dave

Hey Bigdog,

I think the biggest bugs are related to the Modify protounit and the Chat Contains conditions and effects.

Modify Protounit doesn't seem to work at times, or doesn't work at all for some units, and Chat Contains is a completely useless condition because it doesn't even work.

We also can't pitch the camera at all, the editor always brings us back to 'test.scx' instead of our original, so when we come back from a test, it's all black and we have to reload our own scn again.

Also, Player LOS is bugged, and for some reason, we can't disable the player from seeing 'Gaia' units like trees.

Lots of other bugs. Not to mention the whole we can't play mplayer scenarios online thing.

Thanks ES_Bigdog!
Like my comrades, I'm hoping that the Modify Protounit (Effect), the Chat Contains (Conditions and Effects), and the Camera commands and pitch limiting issues can be fixed.

Also, the 'Render Sky' Effect is bugged and needs fixing.

Great post Reinfire!

Great thread .

I will like to thanks everyone for this topic, especially Reinfire.
Also ES Bigdog for hes time and answers.
I haven't find any replay to this topic about the missing ending game feature, so i want to add this to the list.
In AOM we had some kind of standard scenario winning feature that could be enable or disable in Scenario Data into the editor.
This is missing complectely in AoE3 editor and this is making a scenario not to end (winning or loosing). Also there is no trigger to set this in the editor and is making the scenario incomplete.
Please add this feature, or make it work, ES.

Best regards,

Xamolxis

I met "BigDog" at E3 a couple of years ago. He's a really nice guy, and I would put money on it that if he says ES wants to make the editor work for all of us that ES will pay serious attention to our requests. We just have to be a bit patient. In the meantime, there are some very intelligent designers in our midst who are finding some decent workarounds to these and other issues.

:Z

Thanx for the reply Bigdog, and the other forummers too

I was afraid that ES didn't care about the editor at all, and putting all of their focus into getting ESO2 right.

Don't Report Editor Bugs here, look at a sticky on the top which specifies an email address to report bugs.

And make sure what you think is a bug, really is a bug. For example, not being able to change camera pitch is not a big, its a feature which is not present.