Do you have the third Wood upgrade?

sometimes, its a bit more of re-adjusting economical managemnet faults.

what i mean is, say if perfect play you will assign exact amount of vils on a particular resource to get the exact amount that you need. but we know this doesnt really happen, we always end up over gather certain resource by a bit and under gather some other resource by a bit.

so we invest the excess resource into researching faster gather rate for the one that we lack.

your stats are very helpful though. thanks.

Depending on the huntables on the map I will only upgrade Hunting dogs.

oh, also due to fast in game inflation, 50 gold is not 50 gold in 2 minutes if you dont use it.

so at the start of the game if you have spare wood from treasures and have some staring gold, then it is a good idea to invest it into hunting dog.

Interesting.

Could you do the same with non-market econ techs?

For starters, see how long it takes for a plantation (no techs) to pay for itself in vill seconds. Please include the vill seconds it takes to get 800 wood, the vill seconds it takes to build, and then calculate how many vill seconds have to be spent on the plantation before it pays off the wood. (Remember to multiply the seconds by 10, because you will have 10 vills working the whole time).

Then you might be able to see how long certain plantation techs pay for themselves.

Quoted from Jabberwock:

Circular Saw = 1.3*Gather Rate
Cost: 240 food, 480 gold = 1085.7 workticks
Repayment: 1809.5 wood gathered
This isn't as large a number as you would expect. Sure the cost of the third upgrade is high, but the 30% increased harvest rate pays back quickly.

Quoted from ultimitsu:

You raise a good point. It's sigificant to note that the resources cost to upgrade a gather rate are not the resource that it gathers. And indeed once you already have the resource (early game treasures that give you coin and wood) it's a sunk cost, and the opportunity cost of the resources is now what we consider. This reduces the real cost of the upgrade and therefor the effective breakeven point.

One can increase their stockpile of a particular resource one of two ways. One can shift more villagers to collecting that resource, or you can invest your other resources into increase the gather rate of the lacking. I'll try to come up with a way to analyse this relationship.

Quoted from majpain:

Another good point. If the sum of available huntable food on a map is insufficient to warrant the upgrade I sure wouldn't do it.

Quoted from ultimitsu:

This is assuming you have nothing to spend those resources on. otherwise the argument that 50 wood/coin is more valuable now than later and that resources worth less later actually really would increase your perception of costs now and also decrease the value of your repayment later. I'm not quite comfortable factoring in inflation into this analysis. Not because I don't understand inflation, but because I'm not quite sure it should be considered at all.

Quoted from Gold Rust:

Yes, although that's some calculations I don't feel like doing right away. However, I'll give you a taste:

Ore Refining = 1.3*plantation rate
Cost: 600 food, 600 wood = 1914.3 workticks
Repayment: 6381 workticks = 3190.5 plantation harvested gold

And a final thought: Early game a person may be thinking of building a market for the sole purpose of the gangsaw and/or hunting dogs upgrades and at that point some of the 100 wood investment should be considered as part of the cost of these upgrades, increasing their repayment time.

Also it's Very Important to recognize that these resource workrates and comparative values are based on a 0.84:0.6:0.5 food:coin:wood gather ratio. This is not necessarly the relative worth of these resources. An awful lot more has to be factored in to determine this, all of which may depend on today's game.

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Early game a person may be thinking of building a market for the sole purpose of the gangsaw and/or hunting dogs upgrades and at that point some of the 100 wood investment should be considered as part of the cost of these upgrades, increasing their repayment time. [quote]

then you will also consider the fact that you get a good 20 xp for it.....

Then we have to decide what the resource value of experience is... and that's getting complicated. How much exp per wood do you get from a house? This is something you might reasonably be considering as an alternative to your market. Still assessing the value of experience is tres challenging.

for house, TP, market, you get 20 xp per 100 wood. except for brit, their house gets 20xp for 150 wood.

but xp needed for -> shipment increases for each shipment.