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Topic Subject: Wow! Stealth patch to CoverBuildingAttack

MNBob
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 09:49 AM EDT (US)

Over at agesanctuary, "themosh" responded to my unit chart update post and noticed that pikeman now had a ROF listed for CoverBuildingAttack.

So I went and checked:

Pikeman 1.05:
<ProtoAction>
<Name>CoverBuildingAttack</Name>
<Damage>16.000000</Damage>
<DamageType>Siege</DamageType>
</ProtoAction>

Pikeman 1.06:
<ProtoAction>
<Name>CoverBuildingAttack</Name>
<Damage>16.000000</Damage>
<DamageType>Siege</DamageType>
<ROF>3.000000</ROF>
</ProtoAction>

Apparently the lack of ROF must have been a bug and that is why those units all attacked at the speed of animation. This fix is a significant change that was not announced.

I just checked. All units now have a ROF for CoverBuildingAttack.

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[This message has been edited by MNBob (edited 04-14-2006 @ 10:19 AM).]

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Jumbalaya
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 09:50 AM EDT (US) 1 / 15

Hey nice find! Now it won't take me years to kill those dopples with minutes

Flammifer
Kings Guard

posted 04-14-06 09:57 AM EDT (US) 2 / 15

Wait, so you no longer get the same damage per second while attacking a building in cover mode as you would in another formation? Wouldn't that esentialy make defending a rush designed to keep someone from ffing much easier to defend? MM and vills could probably do the job against my standard 18 pike afair.

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MNBob
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 10:04 AM EDT (US) 3 / 15

Exactly Flammifer.

Units using CoveredBuildingAttack used to attack signicantly faster doing half damage while also taking half damage. Now they attack at their normal speed whild doing half damage and receiving half damage.

This is another (unannouned) change that really impacts Spain since pike rush was their 2nd best strat behind FF.

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rpcman
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 10:21 AM EDT (US) 4 / 15

So there is no reason for cover mode anymore?

Has anyone tested this?

MNBob
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 10:25 AM EDT (US) 5 / 15

Cover mode can be used when you have units defending cannons. Since it will take longer for the units to die, they provide a stronger meat shield.

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Ender_Ward
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 11:15 AM EDT (US) 6 / 15

Noooooooooo!

Oh well, I've been saying it had to be a bug for a while ...

*sniff*

No more undefendable Maya Holcan Spearmen rushes .

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Chimp With A Gun
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 11:22 AM EDT (US) 7 / 15

Wiat im kinda confused..... Whats up with them? They take less damage?

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Angel Walker
Skirmisher
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posted 04-14-06 12:02 PM EDT (US) 8 / 15

Teorically, there is no point in using cover mode...

Now, if you're not being attacked, using it will only make u do half damage. And, if you're aattacked by melee, its not usefull too...

As meatshield it sux. They will do half damage.

The point of rushing is take out the TC before the guy cna rach Fortress... not to make your pikes take longer to kill just to save a few HP.

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MNBob
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 12:06 PM EDT (US) 9 / 15

Maybe this needs to be tested because someone at agesancutary said:

Quote:

Are you sure about this? Cause I just let a pikeman fight vs a bank for 10 seconds in the editor, and both times, with defend and without defend mode, it did the same damage, 128 in 10 seconds.

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Jumbalaya
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 12:12 PM EDT (US) 10 / 15

yes but he said in defence mode

MNBob
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 12:14 PM EDT (US) 11 / 15

LOL. I hope his mistake was that obvious. I read it quickly and just assumed he knew what he was talking about.

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Flammifer
Kings Guard

posted 04-14-06 12:19 PM EDT (US) 12 / 15

might have been a little too quick on this one, I went back to a game I played last night and cover mode looked to be fuctioning normaly

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LO12DS_Mist
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 01:37 PM EDT (US) 13 / 15

Quote:

As meatshield it sux. They will do half damage.

Meatshields are supposed to stand and take hits, not necessarily deal damage.

Its better if they last longer than deal more damage for a meatshield, IMO.

MNBob
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 01:46 PM EDT (US) 14 / 15

It can easily be tested in the editor if someone has time.

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FriedPegasus
Skirmisher

posted 04-14-06 06:02 PM EDT (US) 15 / 15

I did it. Cover mode works the same as before. The game probably automatically halves ROF just as it automatically halves damage.

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