Discussing: Current nations being modded

According to the Mod Database, the current nations are:

Malta, 1 time.

Poland, 1 time.

Ireland, 1 time.

Italy, 2 times.

Prussia, 1 time.

Austria, 1 time.

USA, 5 times. USA mods should be avoided, I think.

Switzerland, 1 time.

Denmark, 1 time.

Japan, 2 times.

Persia, 1 time.

Mexico, 2 times.

Canada, 1 time.

Brazil, 2 times.

Argentina, 1 time.

Paraguay, 1 time.

Tupi, 1 time.

Inca, 1 time.

Cherokee, 1 time.

China, 1 time.

Sweden, 2 times.

I don't believe that revolutionary nations should be added to the list. As you see, half of the nations are seen in two mods, and part of our job is to convince our members to not mod them again. Being able to choose between 2 mods for a single nation is not good, but acceptable. But 3, then maybe a 4th mod showing the americans is weird. My opinion is: why not calling future americans as "confederate states", with currently 0 mods? Or "Texas", also american, 0 mods! What do you think?

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[This message has been edited by Lord Tahattus (edited 04-13-2007 @ 06:39 PM).]

Bravo, Tahattus!

I encourage everyone to try new things. We'll be here to listen or help.

Also, You mentioned Mexico twice.

Thanks, already fixed. You, as leaders of your own mods, should post your ideas too. If possible, by following my design to keep the thread purty :P

wicked, I want to see Lord Tahattus in green

Just curious, why didn't you (Lord Tahattus): 1. Put me as a council member? I have a picture of a unit
out.
2. Mention my nations on the 'Current Nations Being Modded'
list? Is it just because they aren't real world
nations?

Nice to see something like this happening. Hopefully something like this will pop up in the new modding department at the Guild.

While I'm posting, I might want to announce I've semi-successfully created new models in AOE3, meaning a Civil War coastal gun. My little secret...mwuahahahhaha.

What do you mean by "semi-successfully"?

Did you do it or not?

Is it playable or not?

[This message has been edited by ashwin13 (edited 01-14-2007 @ 07:43 PM).]

Meaning I got the skeleton and animations through, just no textures yet. :s

But if you made the skeleton and animations, it should be playable. It would be successful because textures can be simply the tga file. Right?

And how did you make the custom skeleton and animation?

It would be quite helpful for my LOTR Mod. Mumaks, and wargs, and catapults, and siege towers...

Shhsh, it's my little secret and we're spamming Tah.'s, thread, so shhsh.

@Basilis: Maybe one day, I need to lose my child spirit first;
@ashwin13: I think the other members of the council agree that you should show us more things first. Your picture is a rodelero. And your nations aren't in the list, neither are Argalius, because they don't fit Aoe3 timeline. If the other members agree, you'll join us as soon as possible.
@Custergrant: If this is not a lie, that's good. Pictures of the gun inside the game.

Discussing: Future of priests

We all know that priests had the conversion ability since AoE. Kastor and Tilanus Commodor call it "conversation ability", lol
Anyone that played this game knows that the priest's "wololo" is AoE mark. ES removed this feature in AoE3, but always knew how funny it was. Both AoK and AOM shows "wololo" as taunts.
My idea is: let's all add the conversion ability back. It's not an unique ability, both Matthew's NE and my mod include it. So, What do you think?

"Wololo" sounds are easily downloadable.

It's possible to add that ability using TWC "convert guardian" codes.

One of my photoshop abilities is to make icons for Aoe3. I can help anyone interested in adding the conversion.

Aoe3 without expansion is not compatible with conversion.

How could it be unique?

In my mod, priests only convert native units. It not only shows how strong the european religions were, but also the Jesuit missions to convert tribes.

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I think if any of us incorporate a conversion ability, it should only affect natives (like you said). I mean, can you imagine, say during the Civil War, all the South had to do was throw its clergy at the north and it could've increased its manpower?

However, the San Patricios during the Mexican War left the US Army to join the Mexicans out of religious reasons. I was hoping to incorporate the San Patricios into Revolutions, but never got around to it. Maybe this will help?

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And Custergrant, I'd really like to know how you did it. I want to put my 3ds Max to use!

[This message has been edited by Captain_Soanso (edited 01-14-2007 @ 09:00 PM).]

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I'll believe when he posts a picture. Inside the game, killing envoys. Envoys.

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Any spanish/portuguese nation could use the jesuit argument. But how about the other europeans?

Well, USA had many, but many religions growing at the 13-colonies epoch. Priests at USA always had some influence, see today

It's not clear wheter NE will have the conversion ability. It has much to do with balancing and it could be OP.

If we're going to include it, both Europeans and Native units will get lategame units with the conversion ability.

Just a idea for the conversion ability: Pheraps the modders could add a unit to convert mercenaries(Pheraps using gold)to represent the fact that many mercenaries fought for who paid more

Abadu does have good ideas.

i think the explorer should also have a conversion ability, but perhaps also being able to convert European nations.

a must is the missionary conversions, at least.

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on this idea what i think would be good is a mercenary camp that is on a random map like a native settlement where you can buy mercenaries for certain amounts of gold, It wouldnt be that hard to make or wandering mercenaries that wonder around and you can buy them (of course it would take random map making aswell).
on the conversion idea this sounds good aswell

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you also said some months ago tht you had a bugged up way to resize units in the editor. Never heard anything after that....

On Conversions...

As far as programming it in it is very easy to do, but as far as Where to put it and Balance issues, etc. Abadu's Idea is a good one.

We could give the Explorer's and special units a "Bribe" ability that costs 200+ gold or similiar amount, and the enemy unit could be 'Bribed' into joining your military force. The gold cost keeps people from converting too many units and from converting weaker units.

Like converting mercenaries for gold, you should be able to convert soldiers for food to represent the deserters.

Villagers should not be convertable, though.

EDIT: More soldiers would have been lured by food and clothing rather than gold, in my opinion. Maybe a combination of food and gold?

But for mercenaries, make a special unit to bribe them, not the explorer. Or give the explorer two abilities, one for mercenaries and one for everyone else. Because mercenaries should cost only gold and all else should cost gold and food.

[This message has been edited by ashwin13 (edited 01-15-2007 @ 01:08 PM).]

Is it possible to make some units more convertable than others? Mercenaries and weaker units could easily be bribed or influenced, but maybe not regulars? I haven't looked too much into the converting thing yet.

Priests could possibly be used to improve the fighting ability of the units around them, like boosting their morale. But then that creates the problem of a bunch of fat, robed men running around on the battlefield.

I'll brainstorm a bit. But I like where this discussion is going.

I think you guys might want to consider that the AI won't be able to 'bribe/convert' and in MP it'll be mostly impossible because of OoS etc. Meaning that only one party could convert would be highly OP. Especially in late games one could quite easily bribe a whole army, not that much fun if you ask me. Not the mention that when in a MP game (LAN) both teams have lots of gold both teams will start to convert and ... well it'd be weird to see that I guess.

A unit that can convert would be much better than the bribe thing because it doesn't go so fast (you can build in a timer between 2 conversions) and the process can be stopped by killing the unit. The costs would be just in the creation of the unit rather than how many units it converts.

or we could try to program it in like the Market. The more you bribe, the more it costs?

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A timer should be done no matter which way it is done so an entire army can't be converted immediatly like you were saying. And which ever unit does the converting should have a really small build-limit so that way you can't convert an entire army at once that way either.