Still, the Revolution will ALWAYS replace Settlers with the Colonial Militia, it doesnt care about my transform effects, like this one:

<Effect type="TransformUnit" fromprotoid="Outpost" toprotoid="Lookout"/>

That's just not working, but I can activate techs and do all the other fancy stuff. Anyone with more experience concerning this?

I guess when I want to change that I'd have to mod the executable, right?]

Thats strange...there are cards and stuff that let you transform one unit type into another, so I don't see why your code won't work. Try replacing /> in the end of your tag with></effect> and see what happens

For example if we look at the spanish card that changes pikemen into rodeleros:

<Tech name ='HCXPTercioTactics' type ='Normal'>
<DBID>3442</DBID>
<DisplayNameID>47029</DisplayNameID>
<Cost resourcetype ='Ships'>1.0000</Cost>
<ResearchPoints>40.0000</ResearchPoints>
<Status>UNOBTAINABLE</Status>
<Icon>ui\techs\native\Tercio_Tactics</Icon>
<RolloverTextID>47028</RolloverTextID>
<Flag>HomeCity</Flag>
<Effects>
<Effect type ='TextOutput'>47031</Effect>
<Effect type ='TransformUnit' toprotoid ='Rodelero' fromprotoid ='Pikeman'></Effect>
</Effects>
</Tech>

Looks like the same thing you are doing.
What tech are you using to transform Outposts into "Lookouts"?

EDIT: are you sure the unit you are trying to convert outposts into is actually called "Lookout" in the proto?

Also, where can I change the revo HCs? Stupid question I bet.

If you want to edit cards etc., edit the homecityRevolution.xml file found in the data folder. However I've had some trouble getting this to actually work (I can get it to work easily for other HC files, but not this one for some reason). If you want to change how the home city looks like, this can be found in the art folder somewhere I guess (never actually done that so idk).

[This message has been edited by No_nickname (edited 04-03-2010 @ 10:24 AM).]

I hate it also - but since TWC (even more with TAD) stuff is executed in the game exe itself.

Most probably the tag <Effect type ='InitiateRevolution'> does the settler -> militia conversion.

However it should work if you execute own stuff after this tag.

I know I can't add new Revo politicians

Yes you can.

Still, the Revolution will ALWAYS replace Settlers with the Colonial Militia, it doesnt care about my transform effects, like this one:




That's just not working, but I can activate techs and do all the other fancy stuff. Anyone with more experience concerning this?

Weird, maybe transform just doesn't work with revolution. Possible fixes would be letting it activate another tech that transforms the unit or doing it by trigger.

Also, where can I change the revo HCs? Stupid question I bet.

That it is my good man! File is called homecityRevolution.xml

However it should work if you execute own stuff after this tag.

I'm taking it that transform doesn't work in the tech no matter where you put it, but other effects do, yes?
hth Tilanus

@no_nickname - I'll try, but actually it's pretty much the same. I just changed the position of the attributes, but that shouldn't be a problem either, that's how you can use XML.

What tech are you using to transform Outposts into "Lookouts"?

A revo politician of course. I think it was XPRevolutionLouverture

The proto objects do exist of course, it's not the only transformation effect. The spelling is correct, I checked a few times.


@Bilbo

I hate it also - but since TWC (even more with TAD) stuff is executed in the game exe itself.

Most probably the tag does the settler -> militia conversion.

Yes, I feared that this would cause it too. In theory it should work if I just delete that command inside the executable, shouldn't it?
Any ideas how to mod that file? ^^

However it should work if you execute own stuff after this tag.

I did that, "Initiate Revolution" is the first tech, the automatic unit upgrades do work. Here just an excerpt to see the order:

<Effect type="InitiateRevolution"/>    
<Effect type="TechStatus" status="active">XPRevolution</Effect>
      <Effect type="TechStatus" status="active">Signiferes</Effect>
      <Effect type="TechStatus" status="active">Aquiliferes</Effect>
      <Effect type="TechStatus" status="active">Optiones</Effect>
      <Effect type="TechStatus" status="active">Tribunes</Effect>
      <Effect type="TechStatus" status="active">Principes</Effect>
      <Effect type="TechStatus" status="active">Legionarii</Effect>
      <Effect type="TechStatus" status="active">ImpLegionarii</Effect>
      
      <Effect type="SetName" proto="HQTent" culture="none" newName="168"/>
      <Effect type="TransformUnit" toprotoid="HQTent" fromprotoid="TownCenter"/>
      <Effect type="TransformUnit" fromprotoid="House" toprotoid="PopTent"/>
      <Effect type="TransformUnit" fromprotoid="HouseMed" toprotoid="PopTent"/>
      [...]

@Ninja

I know I can't add new Revo politicians[/a]
Yes you can.

And how? I set up once a new revo pol in politiciandata, techtreey, stringtabley and protoy. Didnt work.

Weird, maybe transform just doesn't work with revolution. Possible fixes would be letting it activate another tech that transforms the unit or doing it by trigger.

Yes, that could the reason too, but for which reason? There's no point in that (although that does happen a lot when modding aoe3 ^^).

How would this fix look like? I was thinking about a second tech that directly develops AFTER revolution, but how would I activate it automatically.

Maybe I should bundle the transformation effects in another tech and just let this tech activate in the effects tag of the Revo politician. I didnt try that yet, this might be a way to walk around the problem since it'd just activate tech (and this is working). So in case you're right about transformations not working in Revo pol effects this could be it.

Still, if it doesnt, I have no clue how to deal with it properly. I just see that solution, another bad one which says "let the player click a second tech button to fix it all" or modify the executable, which is clearly above my horizon of skills I think.

I'm taking it that transform doesn't work in the tech no matter where you put it, but other effects do, yes?

Absolutely correct.

Wouldn't activating a separate tech containing your Effect work?


peugeot407

I tried three things:

Transform effects IN the revo pol tech. No success.
Transform effects in a SEPARATE tech, actived by revo pol. No success.
Transform effects in a SEPARATE tech, actived by player click. No success.

I bet it's the f*ckin revolution itself! F! F! F!

It's just not working. You can try yourself, but I didnt get it work.

Now: How do I edit the executable?

And how? I set up once a new revo pol in politiciandata, techtreey, stringtabley and protoy. Didnt work.

Secret

How would this fix look like? I was thinking about a second tech that directly develops AFTER revolution, but how would I activate it automatically.

Exactly how you have with your unit upgrade techs. As in

<Effect type="TechStatus" status="active">Tech that transforms the unit</Effect>

So when the other tech is activated, it does the transform.

Maybe I should bundle the transformation effects in another tech and just let this tech activate in the effects tag of the Revo politician. I didnt try that yet, this might be a way to walk around the problem since it'd just activate tech (and this is working). So in case you're right about transformations not working in Revo pol effects this could be it.

Exactly

Still, if it doesnt, I have no clue how to deal with it properly. I just see that solution, another bad one which says "let the player click a second tech button to fix it all" or modify the executable, which is clearly above my horizon of skills I think.

Either a trigger could do it or if the above solutions don't work just cut out the rev's entirely and make your own tech that has all the same effects of revolution but isn't actually a revolution tech.
I'd suggest you talk to Tahattus about making your own Revolution politicians.

Transform effects in a SEPARATE tech, actived by revo pol. No success.

Just to be sure, have you tried doing it in a tech that has nothing to do with Revolution to see if the tech itself works?

I suppose a Revolution is one of those yes-but-only-once techs, so you can't fake it with another tech?

After all, all a revolution really does is change your flag and HC, leave a little note for the postgame, and transform villies into Militia. I'm pretty sure nobody really cares about the screen-filling rotating guns, I personally think they're bloody annoying...


peugeot407

Yes, I was already considering just making a fake revolution, however, that would mean I have to scrap Macedonians and the Legio Ferrata flags. F*ck it!

And how? I set up once a new revo pol in politiciandata, techtreey, stringtabley and protoy. Didnt work.

Secret

I tried it the "normal" way. Just like you do normal politicians. Do your own revo pols at least make this possible?

How would this fix look like? I was thinking about a second tech that directly develops AFTER revolution, but how would I activate it automatically.

Exactly how you have with your unit upgrade techs. As in

<Effect type="TechStatus" status="active">Tech that transforms the unit</Effect>

So when the other tech is activated, it does the transform.

Yeah, I figured that out on my own then rather quickly, you might've noticed

Maybe I should bundle the transformation effects in another tech and just let this tech activate in the effects tag of the Revo politician. I didnt try that yet, this might be a way to walk around the problem since it'd just activate tech (and this is working). So in case you're right about transformations not working in Revo pol effects this could be it.

Exactly

Tried, didnt work, as I wrote.

Still, if it doesnt, I have no clue how to deal with it properly. I just see that solution, another bad one which says "let the player click a second tech button to fix it all" or modify the executable, which is clearly above my horizon of skills I think.

Either a trigger could do it or if the above solutions don't work just cut out the rev's entirely and make your own tech that has all the same effects of revolution but isn't actually a revolution tech.
I'd suggest you talk to Tahattus about making your own Revolution politicians.

Never worked with triggers, this all really bugs me now. Grrrr!

Now - after trying and trying - I think own revo pols wouldn't be an improvement at all - technically. For a real revo you have to use the initiaterevo effect and XPRevolution, I think XPRevolution is just changing the age icon to "R" while the InitiateRevo contains all the stupid sh!t that drives me inside. So without this it doesnt work, but with it doesnt work either.

Transform effects in a SEPARATE tech, actived by revo pol. No success.

Just to be sure, have you tried doing it in a tech that has nothing to do with Revolution to see if the tech itself works?

I did.


Man, today I posted in the flag question thread a "Nope." I wish it would've been a "sure, it is!", then I'd really make a fake revolution, but now I can forget it

[This message has been edited by Tilanus Commodor (edited 04-04-2010 @ 05:25 PM).]

soz if this was answered priviously

but two ideas for stopping the settlers from transforiming into colonial militia

change colonial militia in the proto to have all the same stats and everything as a settler

or

dont use settlers in game
create a new villager unit thats completely different

but two ideas for stopping the settlers from transforiming into colonial militia

change colonial militia in the proto to have all the same stats and everything as a settler

That would not really solve the problem, cause I want to change more than just the settlers. As you might've noticed, the transformations dont work at all. This would also mean that I'd have to find ONE unit for ALL revo civs, which is shit

dont use settlers in game
create a new villager unit thats completely different

To mess up my AI completely? No, thanks.

Wouldn't be too much of a problem, would it? After all, all you have to do is Ctrl+F 'Settler' and replace it with something else. Might be some work, but if it's the only way to get it to work... It sucks, though.


peugeot407