Nice.

About time too.

Nice, very useful. Thanks for putting it together.

Little_Wing

Thanks for the feedback.

Has anyone seen any errors or omissions? I'm sure there are more "exceptions" like the war wagon.

Also, I left out navy and natives for now, but if someone wants to write up the classifications of those as well I'll add them.

You might want to re-post this in General Discussion forums.
I know this info can be found in other posts, but you did a good job laying it out very simply and effectively.

I don't think you should counter ranged cavalry with melee infantry. they could just run away, shoot, run away, shoot...

Ok what do you suggest then? ranged infantry?

Ranged infantry is also heavy infantry (musketiers), musketiers being heavy infantry have damage bonus vs cavs, dragons= cavs (no matter if they are ranged).
So probably best solution is Musketiers.

Problem with that is musketeers get slaughtered by lancers.

I don't think musketeers get the bonus against cavalry unless they are in melee mode.

I could be wrong, though (maybe they're throwing their bayonets..)

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I don't think so. Skirmishers are ranged but aren't heavy and pikes are heavy but not ranged.

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So what do those who don't have Musketeers do? I'm looking for a classification instead of a specific unit.

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haha well what doesn't? Actually Musketeers get a bonus against all cavs as Darth Vader said.

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LOL. I don't know, I guess I'll have to try it in the scenario editor.

Thanks for the feedback.

The musketeer bonus vs. cav only applies to the melee attack. The musketeer ranged attack never has a multiplier.

Well the Dutch don't have musketiers, however they have a Dragoon who takes up just 1 pop so you can use that+ their skirmishers to counter the dragoons, also you can use halbs to make a safe counter too lancers.
I am not sure what is the other civ that doesn't have musketiers.

using an imaginary clock

draw an M at 12:00 for Musketeers

add a P at 3:00 for Pikemen

then add a C at 9:00 for Calvary

note: 6:00 is blank

finnaly put an A in the middle for Artillery

moving clockwise draw arrows from one letter to the other

ex: M > P
P > C
C > M

now add arrows for Artillery

ex:A > M
A > P

note: Calvary arrow goes towards Artillery C > A

This is how I see the attack/counter wheel
what do you guys think?

[This message has been edited by CheeseSteakJimmy (edited 10-28-2005 @ 06:20 PM).]

um *new guy speaking* i'm confused jimmy...

and um jaafit am i right in saying according to that post ranged cavelry arn't good against anything? so its kinda pointless me getting them in a game?

cheers,
-Chris.

Would be nice to see the Native American units classified also. For ex. the Cavalry Archer is a ranged cavalry, counters cavalry. Also the Iroquois Tomahawk Warrrior is supposed to be a cavalry counter.

Finally, some of the Heavy Infantry - Pikes and I think Halbardiers - have a bonus vs buildings so should be considered as a building counter, perhaps.

Cussadier (my spelling has gone) and lancer are effective against musketeers because of heavy armour or long lances. Only dragoons can beat them cost effectively.

Musketeers ranged attack is better than dragoons, so the musketeers do work against them.

I get chills up and down my spine, whenever I see this post of mine.

very nice, you missed cavalry archer in ranged cavalry.

Just wondering, is there any unit that fully upgraded, could stand toe to toe and defeat a fully upgraded Cuirasser? Keep in mind, they can have more than 1000 hp...

Also, is there any counter cav unit that does something similar to trample damage? A bunch of halbiediers doesn't do shit to a charge of Curisassers, solely because of the trample damage factor.

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Cool beans. Even me, mr.expert, could use this. (hah)

Wait a sec- wah? Shouldnt musketeers have bonus damage to cav at all times? I mean, at the beginning I thought that musketeers only have melee bonus vs cav, but now that I think about it....
Who would die first? A guy with a coat and a musket with a 1 foot long blade sticking out, or some guy with a sword on a charging horse? I would doubt that the musketeer would be able to get a good stab on the horse. But being a ranged unit, the horse makes for a big target and should therefore be at a disadvantige from range....get what i'm saying?

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Ranged calvary are good against calvary only. However, you can put ranged calvary into melee mode and then they are pretty decent against artillery. They might be good for villie raiding but I've heard that they have a 0.5 multiplier against villiagers.

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They are already in the list (heavy infantry).

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Is that a native unit? I'm not doing native units right now but if it's not I'll add it.

Hey guys, I have a question regarding the German War Wagon.
Is it just a different Dragoon with a lot of hitpoints? What is it good for?

And do Light infantery eg scirmishers have bonus vs other light infantery eg crossbowmen

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From what i've read of its stats on the unit database, its a horse-drawn wagon (like the one from AOK) thats fitted with a cannon that is good and taking out cavelry.