And BTW mokon you can include this in your strategy central thing if you would like

I'll try it...soon!

It's funny, as I just picked the cards to try and do this strat =D

Do a 40 vill Discovery nextD

[This message has been edited by Killersquirrel (edited 06-04-2006 @ 10:57 PM).]

Yeah, he tried this vs me, but I still one. Make sure you fish because I boxed him in and waited. Somehow, my score stayed higher than his for quite some time... fishing is the key.

So what time are you in fortress?

I can see this strat going really badly.

And if the German sees it's 5:30, you're stil in Discovery, and decides to rush you with Dopples, Pikes, Uhlans and Crossbows?
How do you survive for the 2:30 it'll take you to age up, put up a barracks and pump some Longbows and Muskets/Pikes?

Or against a Spanish that rushes you with Pikes, Muskets and Rods by 6:00?

I'm really not sure I understand the point of going to Colonial so late with 40 villagers, when you can age up with ~25, and complete the rest of your manour boom afterwards (aside from sending the 5 vil card once you age)?

I don't know about you Ender, but normally if I play a British and I see that it is 5:30, he isn't aged up, and I know he isn't a noob, I would just assume that he would age up very shortly so I wouldn't go for a rush. What you need to watch out for is this. When he did this to me (granted, he didn't fish this time, but I had built a dock on the other side to make my own boats, so chances are his fishing wouldn't be too much better than mine anyways) I thought that yes, he is boxed in and it will be hard to fight him there, but if I can keep vills in TC he won't be utilizing his eco advantage. What I did was bust in with falcs and stayed close to foundry in case culv came out (I had 5 falcs btw). He kept some vills out so I threw hackapell at them (they own vills so damn fast, he told me he regretted leaving his wood vills out during the battle). Sure, that wave eventually died, but I shipped out more mercs in that time, made more vet uhlan and more falcs. It wasn't too hard to keep up with production since his vills were in tc and not gathering.

lol i actually use this semi-often. i saw it from gl0rious. i believe my version is better for the lower level players because i'm of course biased, and because i find it difficult to balance a water eco, land eco, and military because i generally over boom
i usually have 46 vills with all the market upgrades(blunderbuss and great coat are essential) and age at ~8? i don't usually check my times. i send cheaper manors, 3 vills, sometimes pioneer in discovery(sometimes necessary vs rushes, but i like sending cards in fortress right away), and will send church card in colonial. generally, i will start to age to fortress 15 sec or so after reaching colonial.

vs. rushes
as stophon said, its not so good against otto or russia(though gl0rious held off an otto native rush lol...). however, i have held off all other rushes, including the previoulsy mentioned spanish and german rush. make sure you manor boom around a place with a lot of resources. i can usually find a patch of trees + gold near my base in most maps. after creating the wall with your manors, build 1 or 2 towers in the center of your little circle of houses. with your power vills and towers, your eco will be safe.

upon reaching fortress you can send blackwatch and highlanders or falconets right away, and start spamming lbows. i found that making falconets are more useful, as just 17 highlanders staggered make short work of his two falconets, and most people i've played have a lot more infantry than artillery.i've also had good success with germans(i'm 1900 though).

PS: don't worry if you lose 5-10 vills to a rush(don't be too adventurous, make sure that him losing that army is going to hurt him more than you. otherwise you still have 2 towers to garrison into), chances are your eco is still far ahead. and after your highlanders/falcs/lbows come in, you should be golden

[This message has been edited by MJ_Caboose (edited 06-05-2006 @ 00:06 AM).]

Yeah sinister posted some classic recs of this strat a few months ago. He beat a native rusher with upgraded vills and minute men.

My clanmate tried to do discovery age manor boom whit loads of outposts (me ottoman). His deck gave too much away, and i goed for grenadiers it was really the only way i had change to win that game. if i would have gone whit janissaries, they would have got wasted in the time it takes to take 1 outpost down.

Aww Lembas, that was my first attempt. I did it a few more times and learned alot.

In your game I didnt even fish! Huge mistake! Along with lots more mistakes.

Anywho your in fortress as early as 8:45 and as late as like 12-13 minutes. Usually at 7 min you just throw up a couple of barracks and pump lbows.

And Glorious has done this before? Shoot, I thoguth it was all mine.

Keep in mind, if you wall early with manor houses, you can beat any inf rush because you can just buidl walls faster than they knock them down. Or send mm and waqtch them beat up on them and they cant do anything about it because their behind a wall. And by the time that they make 5 cbows, get your manor house down to break into the base, it will be around 7 minutes If he comes with cbows the first time, you can just kill them with mm.

But again, it fairs horribly vs a strleet or jannie rush, thats why I said dont attempt it vs either of those.

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I think you misunderstood me, you advance to colonial with 40 vils, so you have 40 vils in discvoery...

[This message has been edited by Stophon4 (edited 06-05-2006 @ 08:14 AM).]

I once played somebody who I mistook for a complete noob.

I was Portuguese - him British

I was in Fortress before he was in colonial (around 8 minuts). Unfortunally he arrived in Colonial with 63 settlers.

I lost the game quit embarrishing.

A thought. Would the 40% more building HP card be useful here? It means 2500 HP Manours, 4200 HP walls and 2800 HP Outposts (not even mentioning the 11200 HP Town Center).

does someone know how do you put villagers into melee? they have a hand attack but to me it seems that they can only use it when an ennemy units attacks them into melee.

Um... naders to counter cannon? I know they hit hard on them bt they normally kill naders before they get near em

it's not really for countering cannon its for countering naders in discovery

With the water it is basically a britt modified Swinger ports boat boom. I am not trying to tell who copies who here, but the cards Swinger uses (more HP on building) is surely a good bet. (To pple who need a more detailed BO could look at the ports swingers for some pointers.)

The more they spend time on walls/buildings, the more your LB are going to have fun. This is actually one point where I think brit have an advantage on ports for this type of boom, since LB are more efficient cost wise than any ports turtling units. And, easier economy managing since you need less gold. Also, you are less dependant on fishing than the ports since you can manor spam villagers.

And the secret in LB usage is Massed, yeah they do own direct hussard counter, but they need to be MASSED.

40 Vil Colonial... wtf?

Of course, this would happen only with Schooners... wouldn't it?

Colonial turtle strategy seems to be a good bet, but I don't know if its worth it. You talks about 40 Settlers, but if your enemy has schooners too, you wouldn't have so much advantage...

I'm not sure how it would perform against another booming civ... you lose map control and, if your enemy spam outposts in the water, your weaker military won't get you anywhere.

But it seems to be a good idea... I'll try it myself

I think it would be obvious that you would not try this strat on any civ but germany, wlel thats what stophon said after all. I don't think this strat is designed to > all anyway... *roll*

is it nescessary to invest in a trade post or do u just have the manors fuel your shipments?

Edit: after trying this once getting the wall up early is crucial, maybe first thing you do?

[This message has been edited by Cptbuck (edited 06-05-2006 @ 04:32 PM).]

Nope, just like 20 free vils from manorsa by 7 min

But yeah its made to counter the FF actually, and in particular the german one

He used it versus me. Granted I suck, and especially that game . But the sudden overwhelm of military hit me hard

Yeah even stonewall hit me a bit with intial wave and even knocked down my walls, but I held it off with ease and its amazing, as soon as you hold it off you have like 80 vils (usually double yoru opponent) and you literally just explode with army.

Its actually pretty amazing.

And also I'm rather dissapointed with the responses, guess it wasn't as orignal and unique as I believed it to be.

[This message has been edited by Stophon4 (edited 06-05-2006 @ 10:04 PM).]

Nah i think its a fairly good strat, i haven't tested it though. Might need to dust off my old British HC.

Someone, can't remember who, asked how to put villies in melee. To do this you need to manually walk them up to put them into hand attack. They really dish the damage out in melee.

Sounds very cool indeed. I do believe that it requires a keen eye to know when you've got the right moment to pull a stunt like this, but I imagine that in the right circumstances this would be devastating.

If you build up enough to withstand that first assault, it sounds like you'd be left with an insane econ. Your opponent, on the other hand, could very well be gassed out.

I don't believe there's a strategy for all situations, and this strat's no exception. But when you're up against the right kind of opponent, I think this sounds like a great addition to the British arsenal.

Sounds good... if you manage to get any additional recorded games, I think that'd be great to see. I'll check out the one you posted. Thanks for the strat...

[This message has been edited by Beatnik Joe (edited 06-06-2006 @ 01:02 AM).]

Stophon,

Like the post.

Just a quick of question. Are there any maps you don't reccomend to try this on other than Bayou? How do you adapt it in the case of drawing a poor map? Do you change strats entirely? Do you have some map specific decks?

Thanks