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Err ... What game are you playing?

But otherwise, really nice! Sounds wicked powerful, too bad I don't play French, but maybe I should start

thanks. it's really fun; i'd recommend it to anyone who wants to use units that level buildings in seconds, then slaughter their only counter.

this can be preformed as low as like level 15, so if you wanna dust off your french HC or start one, it won't take long before youre fragging entire bases!

How do you get the 3500 food for those Grenadiers once in Industrial?

You can easily gather the 1500 during age up. You have 24 cdb, use them well. The other 2k comes in pretty quick after that. The trick is to secure resources with your fort. And that fort is definitely gonna prevent any attack until the 10:00 mark when seige mercs or falcs come out, so I don't think that line about "don't say....cuz you will get attacked before 13 mins." I would just delete that actually...

Also, get as many herdables as you can. I know it seems obvious, but you can shave 30 seconds off your gren time with it. I've gotten all of them out as low as 12:25 when killing 4 sheep I find, so the grens come out much earlier. Also, keep in mind that the grenadiers come out one group at a time, so you arent totally defenseless during age up. Use those grens effectively. I find that 13:00 is the average time I get all 3 sets of grens out.

Good job Mr. Amp.

An Otto or Russian rush would WTF?pwn this strat.

Sorry, but it wouldn't be strategy Central without one...

dont post a lame ass "blah blah counter blah blah" post if thats all your gonna offer.

it sounds interesting, unfortunatly it comes too late, as patch 1.08 is almost out

the black riders seem liek a bad idea. grens do fine vs artillery and black riders shouldnt be hitting and runnign cav, otherwise it will get to the naders.

so its seems better to use swiss pikes, which also give added siege...like you need any. plus the gfrens specilize in killing LI, the swiss pikes' counter, and are a little elss effective against HI(bad melee).

EDIT: wait, instead of shipping mercs, you could ship 24 pikes, and age up with troops. this might strain housing, but itd be worth it.

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Err ... usually one doesn't FF against a rusher, let alone FI.

cant wait to try it since Seph got me in a French crazed situation

you know, i thought about the swiss pikes, but i went with BR cause of the range. the grens already have a combined siege of roughly 2.5k, and with all that inf, it seems like they might be crowding each other.

plus, BR do better against arty. (grens are very mediocre against arty.)

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24 free pikes + 2 falcs/3 cuirs> BR's.

i just tried it with swiss pikes, and i really liked it. this'll be my new choice.

thanks, brandnizzle.

The patch will if anything increase this strats effectiveness. The 20 extra seconds for FF time is negated by the extra food crate bonus they get. The only thing that the patch will change about this strat is that it's direct counter will be even more of a direct counter and its "soft counter" or heavy seige FF will be nerfed because of +20 seconds.

I personally can't wait to nail all the brit boomers with this once the patch comes out.

Also, I think that what you age with depends on the situation. If you are being seiged, age with the falcs and ship goons or pikes. If your opponent has turtled up with forts and towers etc, Swiss Pikes are the way to go. If your opponent is massing arty or cav, BR's are a sound option. I don't see much of a use for the 3 cuir age up, but the 10 muskets can be used as on the spot anti-cav.

lol, my strat was similiar to this, in the way it attacked 12 min give or take and all i got was a lot of "wtf i'd pwn you if u used that".

If it didn't have a counter, then it would be OP

All the people who say things like that, get it into your head, you clinchpoops

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I have had a new revelation! Why not use the Exiled Prince? This way you can have your fort up at 7:40, which is before any FF attack will hit you. That gives you plenty of time to get to industrial undisturbed. And it will speed your next shipment due to the xp recieved from the fort, allowing for a 10:30 industrial time. Now that pwns .

what level is the exiled prince?

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WTF! Really?!

@brandnizzle

http://aoe3.heavengames.com/strategy/4

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You don't get xp from building something from a wagon.

Hmmm, I thought you did. Oh well ^^. Still, I think a fort up at 7:40 is much better than one at 8:40. And you would still get a faster industrial than if you hadn't used the Exiled Prince.

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If you're going to use CM, why not build more CdB's and age to Colonial at ~6 minutes with a TP, market, hunting dogs and placer mines? Then you can mine 1000 gold and hunt 700 food and age up with 500 food politician and still get a 7:30ish Fort time (or faster with ExPrince) but with a much better economy and no card used on 700 gold.

I do this frequently for the Middle Guard rush and it really is a lot more powerful with little extra risk. I put Improved Buildings in the deck too, but don't actually send it unless I'm sure I'm getting rushed. Generally just having CM and IB in your deck and being French will scare off most rushes other than Otto and sometimes even they'll try to FF or FI.

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actually, you get XP from outpost wagons. i know that much.

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the problem is that if you chose philosopher prince over Qmaster, you're giving up 205 VS. plus aging up so late against a rush means you you probably won't be given the chance to build a rax if the guy attacks soon enough. and if the guy really means buisiness, is 7:30 really feasible?

i say 700 coin because of you send both MM, it's a really quick way to replenish the ol coffers.

p.s. (imo blunderbuss and great coat > hunting dogs and placer mines )

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sounds wierd, but just about any boom, will a couple turtle cards, will shut down a gren FF

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Wtf>?!!!

Use pioneers+fort for a French FI.

Greatcoat+pioneers+blunderbuss CdB can stand up to twice their number in skirmishers. Make sure you have a couple outposts and the fort laying around, perhaps 3-5 dragoons too, because only melee cav can kill those super-CdB effectively.

On Yukon you should get Nootka, anti-cav and bark tech.

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Yeah I thought the same thing when I read it. I can count on one hand the number of games where there has been no attack before 12-13 minutes.

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Well, artillery too.

No, artillery will get meleed to death, CdB simply rock falcs (ask Sephiroth what I did to his falcs with settlers, lol)

Or, they'll get shot at by the TC/fort. If you place the fort right, those falcs are never getting in range.

Not to mention dragoons counter falcs too.