i seriosuly cannot see how this works, tbh i think it would be easier to just click the resign button.

But good job for trying

Don't you think a forward tower would help? Rev units arrive there, and can also provide a - small - help...

My French Fast Industrial can have 6 cuirs, 2 heavy cannons, 2 falconets, 5-10 skirms, and either 24 xbows/5 more cuirs by that time. And a 20+ coureur economy.

I think the problem is that revolution isn't supposed to be used in the way you are trying to do so here. You'll have zero econ to replace lost units whereas your opponent can do so easily.

Economically you may be left struggling, but i think the amount of siege you have is a massive advantage, hence the "glorious" wins that are possible :P

might be worth a go, if im really bored

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Well, how exactly would you say revolution is supposed to be used, if not to overwhelm the opponent with one quick, hard stroke?

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The idea here is to replace lost units by shipping new ones, and to keep the opponent from "easily" replacing his by wrecking his buildings.

But as I said in the beginning, this is a non-too-serious strategy.

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That's the spirit!

I guess the reason you are doing it is for the revolution Howitzers obtained?

Does anyone know what the possibilities are for each civ for going to revolution?

Hmm yea I think it would work better with normal vils than SW because SW give you one MM where as they count as two vils, in which would give you in theory, a lot less MM. So if one was to even attempt a FR, your best bet would be to use Britain, Spain, Portugal, Dutch or Russia.

Again, I don't reccomend it though, by that time one can easily crush that combo either with an aggressive FF or even FI.

The following revolutionaries are available:

Bolívar, Peru, provides +5%HP for all units (available for German and Russian)
Bonifacio, Brazil, provides 20 Legendary Tupi Blackwood Archers (available for Dutch and Portuguese)
Hidalgo, Mexico, provides 10 Outlaw Riders and 10 Outlaw Pistoleros (available for Portuguese and Spanish)
L'Ouverture, Haiti, provides +10%HP for Militia (available for British and French)
O'Higgins, Chile, provides 10 Imperial Hussars (available for Ottoman and Spanish)
San Martín, Argentina, provides 6 Imperial Howitzers (available for German only)
Santander, Colombia, provides 3 Ironclads (available for French, Ottoman and Russian)
Washington, USA, provides +25%HP for Gatling Guns (available for British and Dutch)

San Martín is not available for any other civilization than German, and I don’t think any of the other revolutionaries provide enough firepower for a successful attack at this stage. Otherwise I'd definitely go for another civilization, probably Spain for the faster shipments.

Hidalgo is a possibility if you can make some seige along the way. I say this, because the outlaw riders and pistoleros you get are guardian stats not saloon stats, so they are much better than you think

The outlaws are better than the "normal" ones, but I still don't think they pack enough of a punch, especially siege-wise. The only way this works is if I can destroy the opponent's buildings quick enough to effectively cripple both his military and economy, and at the same time rake up enough XP for additional shipments to mop up, as I can't build anything after the revolt for lack of resources.

I like this strategy, but I usually get my howitzers at 14 mins, but the problem is as soon as I hit industrial I get a shipment(all I sent so far was 2 wagons age 1, 3 wagons age 2, 8 skirms age 3) and I revolt with 19 colonial milita, but what is good about this is I can send 9 doppels(favoured), 12 more skirms or 13 ulhans. I think 9 doppels would be best as they take care of any cavalry.

EDIT: Whoops, sorry for the 4 month bump.

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Send Polish Winged Hussars. They're guard units!

Ohh yeah, them too Mediolanus.

I tried this on a real opponent just now in a team game, my teammate almost got owned but my 14 skirms helped him and in the end, I almost lost all my howitzers on the forward base but I just sent gattling guns and colonial milita from home city.

I sent 12 skirms as my age 4 card, worked well even against 30~ longbows, 15~ muskteers and god knows how many cetan bows and warclubs. I think doppels or hussars would work well, as both of them sent cavalry to my artilitery and tried to take out my colonial milita.

The came stats can be found here(LINK).

The players where 1.55k~(me), 1.75k~(my teammate) vs both around 1.63k~.

I don't see the point.

In 12 minutes I will be at the Fortress age and have*I play as Russian*30 Musketeers, 3 Falconets, plus the 2 I get from my HC, 10 cossacks, 20 Halberds, plus a fort..........

Do you think - about 25 Colonial Militia
- up to 14 Veteran Skirmishers
- 2 Falconets
- 6 Imperial Howitzers will beat my army?

I think 26 skirms, 2 falcs, 20~ colonial milita could stand a chance but don't forget you'll probably have a shipment so that's another 16+ colonial milita or 4 gattling guns.

It really depends on how you play it, sometimes it's pretty damn good, else it can be pretty damn bad.

To be honest you could just do a 16~ minute one in a team game and have the following:

18 Skirms, 3 Culvs, 9 Doppels, 10 guard hussars, 2 falcs and 20 colonial milita.

It isn't brilliant but you can do a lot with the strategy and it's fun to use on not-so-good players, as all you really need to use the strategy is 2 settler wagons, 8 skirms and whatever 2 cards you want, easy to fit in a deck if you want a bit of fun.

You said that you could be in their base in less than a minute.

To be quite frank...not even a russian player on carolina can make it to COLINIAL (on carolina) much less get to industrial.

Re-word.

That...and a wall would stop most of your army...

I also think that once they realized that you were in 4th age, theyd just make a massive military to hold your revolt off...

-blake

I think he means walking to his base in 1 minute "with an impressive display of artilitery".

Blackeboy:
when you see someone in Industrial you dont make a huge amry for holding his revolt.
oyu assume he is FI, not FR.

blakeyboi14 is right, and Eicho, if your opponent pulls off a FI, what are you going to do, wait and age up your self?
That is one option, or you could make a large army that can counter any Industrial shipment he might have coming, and in case he pulls a FR you will have a big enough army to defend your city until you age up yourself or his Eco lags so badly you can raid him and win in one blow...................

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can the Imperial Hussars revolution work? I imagine that if cavalry had better pathfinding, the Imperial hussar spam might actually work (since all hussars are immediately upgraded to imperial level).

You said that you could be in their base in less than a minute. To be quite frank...not even a russian player on carolina can make it to COLINIAL (on carolina) much less get to industrial.
Re-word.

Nope - re-read. You, that is...

To quote myself: The Argentine player "...can be at the enemy base within less than a minute with an impressive force of artillery and ranged infantry. The only problem is you have to survive almost 12 minutes playing Germany before you even get to play Argentina..."

Get it now?

I think it's fun to see people trying to refute something that was never be meant to be taken too seriously in the first place. Don't get me wrong though - I still think it can be pulled off under the right circumstances.
It's a shame I won't be able to use it anymore on the LAN (The people I play with would expect it by now, someone even used it on me - successfully...), otherwise I might try to slow it down just about 30 seconds or so to get the Polish Hussars in. That would definitely be enough to take out both "counter armies" that have been mentioned in this thread.

Btw, I think the key to beating this strategy (apart from simply attacking earlier and throw the whole thing off track) is to go out and meet the Argentine army before it reaches your base. Without enemy buildings to hit the howitzers are just sitting ducks with no combat value whatsoever. If you let them get close enough however - just think of your fort as 440 free XP for the Argentine player...

@ Newb At AOE: Glad you liked it, that makes at least two of us! One more and we can start a club...

QUOTE "the Imperial hussar spam might actually work (since all hussars are immediately upgraded to imperial level" Are they really? If so a Impreal Hussar spam might work quite nicely.

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QUOTE "the Imperial hussar spam might actually work (since all hussars are immediately upgraded to imperial leve" Are they really?

Yep, they are. I might try a "Chilean Rush" at one point (probably with the Spanish), though I'm not too sure how good it will work - I have my doubts about the limited siege capabilities.

Yeah, I do like this a lot. I also like it because as I've said, drop a few settler cards and you can get +10 of strong units rather than 3~ colonial milita.

I'll upload some recordings around 1600 level later. :P