Seems like this strat would work out PERFECTLY on Hispaniola. Just sit back with your bushes and turtle up your economy if the rush fails. (I mean, you opponent will also suffer from bad hunting unless he has CHURAYZEE (crazy) map-control. And what's more, you should have captured enough sheep to "feed" the big shrine, and there's always the sea for further booming. (although I did hear the japs were'nt too good on it.)

Well written, nice way of using images~ I like it.

haha thanks

while this by no means is a perfect early rush, it cna catch a n FFer off gaurd or assualt the fwd base of an unexpecting foe.

Nice strat! Question on the 3rd shipment? Why not press the rush with a second shipment of the Sohei?

Good strat. Makes me want to hurry up and outline my India Flail/Thugee rush, which also looks to destroy the TC in under 6.

By the time your second shipment of Sohei have arrived, the opponent will have some Infantry which will destroy your Sohei unless backed by Yumis or Muskets.

Looks good Cookie, I was tried for a whiel to make use of this, but couldn't quite get it fast enough. What time do you start siegeing?

By the time your second shipment of Sohei arrive , you should have some Yumi's or Ashigaru to already enforce the first shipment against infantry. The second shipment will make seiging that much quicker. The 4 villi shipment will only serve to reinforce the economy if the rush fails. See my point? In fact, if that rush is to be reinforced, perhaps a 5 Ashigaru shipment should be put in instead? Or perhaps a shipment of calvery to raid the perimeter while you seige, maximizing damage to his eco if the rush fails?

To me, sending the 4 villies feels like the strat is switching from a rush, into a turtle/boom. In fact, i can't help but feel the 4 shrine shipment would be better all around for this since that would allow a bigger pop, conservation of wood, which would fuel more military units.

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I think this would fail vs. a large majority of civ's openers. However, I think I like it in Jpn mirror..maybe vs. Germany too? How's your success rate vs. humans that are decent CC?

Iliked it!its about time somebody used the shrine wonder for a strat. i have some doubts though.
1 ]don't think u will be able to collect 500g and 100f if u task 6 villies to the wonder.2-3 villies i think will be enough.

2]U could take advantage of the consul;ate early on to ally with ports and age 680 f.this would work great if u had excess food crates.then as soon as u build the wonder switch to spain.and after ur military forces arrive switch to isolation for added damage. as my first shipment i would send 5 ashigurus[vs like spain or germany]or 5 yumis vs dutch skirms,because this will be really susceptible to li with bonus vs hi.i would send military shipment first because i feel that u would be better off asserting military dominance first.sending 11 pikemen alone would be very very risky. if they have some ranged infantry and hit and run u ur gonna get wiped out before ur siege bonus comes into effect.then if u taken out his forces u can use onin or another military shipment.i would use naginatas vs dutch.

3]if the rush fails i don't see much hope of recovering as ur eco will be on life support.

these are only my views and overall i would like to say i really enjoyed the strat.great job.

Err Have you played the Asians at all Xerxes? If you have you'd know that the time required to burn relations is way too long to be switching three times within the time this rush is effective, not to mention you won't have 300 export this early on to do it.

wow! thanks for all the replies guys.

I'm not gonna lie, this isnt perfect. on Deccan i can get the tc down (without MM) by 5:45 flat. the strat first popped into my mind when i first saw the sohei card in the first place. I took the time to write it up, then realized it turned out to not be what i wanted it to live up to be.

In the games ive tried this the resources have been scarce, but im working on it. it will take time to look at and adjust the villager amount and things.

and by all means, send your sohei over while/before onin war is sending. its the icing on the cake

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Where do you get those images from?

Cool, I could see it being a problem to do agaisnt France but would be fun to do to other civs.

No,i don't have TAD yet.i played the demo a few times with the asians,i am sorry it was ridiculous of me to comment.thats the reason i haven't posted on any TAD topics before this.