Looks like a good strat.

I do this in Vanilla. It works pretty good there too.

Great strat, this is usually the better option over double rax x-bow.

Are you going to show this strat with a record on vanilla? That way the vanilla players who don't have tad or don't go on it often can benefit also.

you'll have the resources to pump out muskets from 2 raxes?
i'll try it out some time... (i would get market during transition and then send 4 CdB as colonial card for a strong eco)

you will have resources to do it from two for about 20 or so muskets, so two batches from each barracks, then you will fall behind, which is when you would send 700 gold, switch all villagers to food, then you can do it for longer, continue when you send 600 gold, by then you will actually have enough villagers to continually stream muskets.

Nice write up.

thank you james

Could you give a 'good against' .. 'okay against ..' and 'bad against ..' section? I don't know which to try this again and don't feel like testing it so much that my PR might drop.

well most of the time it is mor complicated than that, if they spam cavalry of course you will do good, but if they go LI then it wouldnt do as good, but i can put which civs you have the best chance against.

PR might drop.

don't want to risk precious PR do you?

Several solutions:

unrated games

comp test games

or you could play rated games anyway, and if you lose rank, just get it back by beating people your current rank.

don't want to risk precious PR do you?

Well yes, when I invest time and effort into gaining something, then I tend to want to not lose it. You seem to act like wanting to win and go up higher is bad.

Oh, and let's consider this:
Each game averages about what, 15 minutes? There's 14 civs. 14 times 15 = 210 minutes.

I don't exactly want to waste three and a half hours trying to find out which civs suck against this strat and which are good. Especially when it'll take iTech all of 5 minutes to write which are or aren't, as long as he's experienced.

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Good in detail BO, not that flexible, but people that need the flexibility don't really need BO's ^^


I'm just wondering why Sioux is at the "good" section, because only way you could win Sioux with this strat would be, that Sioux would go for some noob clubrush(that nowadays is suicide anyways).

i said its good vs them cause if they go clubs you win, cavalry, you win, and if they go bows then you can make hussars easily cause of your villager set up. although you should be defensive because of their unit shipments, but once your eco gets going, and their shipments run out you should win

Although people don't want to lose pr the best way to learn what it works against and what it doesn't work well against is to see for yourself because maybe you using this strat will work better then if itech uses this strat verse a certain civ. So watch the recs of it and practice it unrated against all the civs and see for yourself, but by watching the recs that will give you an understanding of how effective it is.

Well yes, when I invest time and effort into gaining something, then I tend to want to not lose it. You seem to act like wanting to win and go up higher is bad

Think about it. if you are as good as your current rank, say, 25, then you lose a couple experiment games to other captains and you drop to 22. Just play other 22's and since you are really as good as a 25, you will have no trouble getting rank back.

i said its good vs them cause if they go clubs you win

that Sioux would go for some noob clubrush(that nowadays is suicide anyways).

cavalry, you win

If sioux goes bowriders, you basicly lose because bow riders cost effectively beat musketeers especially with TC fire. If Sioux goes axe riders he just needs to send morning star (turns axe riders into rifle riders) and your musketeers are going to get wasted.

if they go bows then you can make hussars easily cause of your villager set up.

Your not going to have hussars up anytime soon, and Sioux will have counter cav by that time. (Also there is no logical reason for sioux to go cetan bows vs French.)

although you should be defensive because of their unit shipments, but once your eco gets going, and their shipments run out you should win

Your talking about Aztecs? Only unit shipment that Sioux really relies on in colonial is 4 axe riders.

don't do this vs sioux bowriders completely own this. Additionally he will send 4 axe to get rid of any xbows you can muster and also take down some CdB.

well i guess ill change it geez,

and on the shipments, they get 2 AR shipments 2 Club shipments and i think 2 cetan shipments too

but ill change it then, i just guessed it would do okay vs them

how good are bow riders?

I love rushing with the musketeers too because I dont have to worry about wood and I age up faster!

well ya gotta worry about wood for houses cause 2x musket rushing takes a lot of population

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The smaller unit shipments really aren't worth the card slots.

For bow riders, you get 250 hp(30% hand resist) and 20 attack with 1.5 ROF (and no negative multiplier for vils) for 100 food and 75 gold.

Musketeers have 150hp(20%hand resist) and 23 attack with 3 rof for 75 food and 25 gold.


Basicly they cut about even on cost effectiveness, but the mobility and raiding capability+ upgrades make them overall better than musketeers.

"how good are bow riders?"

pretty damn good... can even beat a bit of LI in melee mode.

well, i did not know that, havent ever used them and havent seen people use them,,
know how much they cost?

I'm working on a guide for BR\AR combo, since BR will cost effectively beat everything except for LI.