Besides guys, this really is a legitimate topic. I think we can expand on it a bit. We should really discuss the way nation-states are using weaponry that is intended to cause additional pain and suffering- like incediary bombs and cluster bombs.
Doesn't that make them just as bad as the terrorists?
No... Your're thread is this: 'U.N.: Israeli cluster bombs an 'outrage'', isn't it just another nice way to say "The Israelis are just as bad or even worse than the so-called "terrorists" who are obviously freedom fighters, they fight against."
You never wanted to expand it on the general topic. If you did, you would show MORE examples in your main post. Things Germany, Russia, US, Japan and and and and, used.
But you didn't.
You focused this all on Israel. On cluster bombs. Just another way to show you point, Israel is a Terror State. If we are a Terror state, then so is the US, their revolution against the English? You can't say it was anything peaceful, or less bloody then whats going here.
France? 1789, that's another calm and peaceful revolution. Or when Germany occupied France, oh I bet the France was jolley and fat. They were, but they also took down German trains, and fought them.
Does that make them Terror States?
Now you will put the blame on Israel on Israel being a Terror state, not because it was illegaly founded through Terorrism (which is untrue too) you will blame it on its existance, through fighting enemies who provoked it all along.
Arabs kicked out of Israel? Arabic leaders called them to leave, and even ordered them to do so. Arabs in Israel, even if you consider then as second class citizens here, are being treated much more well in Israel, than in other arabs states, which still hold them in Refugee camps. Some kind of "Arab brotherhood". The Palastinians are the only people world wide from after WW2, who are still considered refugees in Arab countries, and didn't combine with the local society.
You want to tell me its because of their nationalistic pride and them wanting to live in their own country? I spit on that reason. The arab leaders do NOT LET THEM AT ALL, to live like regular citizens. They use them as a political tool.
Let's leave that aside.
Because you'll probably say, "Hey look, Notspecified, ironically turns the debate from the Israeli war crime of Cluster bombs, and blaiming me for things not in thread at all". That would be false, since this is what you wanted to happen, this is why you provoked me in your 1st reply in this thread.
You want to hear my opinion about why Israel put cluster bombs? First, it was spreaded in Southern lebanon, where Israel knew that right after the war, the Hizballah will get in there as soon as possible, and clean what they want to clean, and get things the way they see it, so its a measure to keep them away for a while.
3 last days of War? What if we did in on day 1 and all the month after it? MANY MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DIED JUST FROM THE DIRECT HIT. Its end of war, Southern lebanon citizens are still in the north, or at shelters, or at their homes, or at a storage for Hizballah rockets.
Also, as someone mentioned, this is also a measure to keep them from doing this again. To put some terror in thier minds. Ofcourse hizballah did that, throughout the 34 days, they sent the same Katyushas which once they explode they spread alot of bullets or other deadly things, which even penetrate metal, and if there would be a person 10 meters away from it, every 2 CM on average, he would have a bullet or something stuck in him, leaving him dead, obviously. I've seen pictures of it, where signs on the road, are comletely full of it, and things 500 meters away being hit by those things.
Very similiar to Cluster bombs, almost the same purpose eventually. To kill as many as possible.
Also, you blame Israel for being a Terror state like Yugoslavia at the time, and support the same action that was done on Yugoslavia, to be done on Israel.
Did you know that the same action that was used on Yugoslavia, also used Cluster Bombs? And much more than we did.
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The United Nations Mine Action Coordination Center in Tyre, Lebanon, raised an alarm over the post-conflict impact on returning civilians of unexploded cluster munitions used by Israel during its 2006 conflict with Hezbollah, which was mostly fought in village areas . The US State Department has launched an inquiry into Israeli use of US-made cluster bombs during the conflict . Up to 90% of the total number of cluster bombs have been dropped by Israel over Lebannon in the last 72 hours of the conflict. During this period, Israel was also under heavy fire from Hezbollah rockets. As many as 70% of the bomblets dropped may not have detonated as intended
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In Lebanon, several civilians have been killed by unexploded bomblets.
In post-war Kosovo unexploded cluster bomblets caused more civilian deaths than landmines
From Wikipedia.
This is what you forgot to mention -
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During this period, Israel was also under heavy fire from Hezbollah rockets. As many as 70% of the bomblets dropped may not have detonated as intended
But I guess I'm the one with the Bias. Or that I'm the one who will support Israel blindly. Because that's the best arguments you can pull out.
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Why would Israel drop all those cluster bombs in heavily civilian populated areas in the last day of the war?
If there are Civilians at homes in the last day of the war, in the area of Southern lebanon which was the main zone war, then they are retarded. But since I don't believe they are retarded, you just simply added the "Heaviliy civilian populated areas" and forgot to mention that they are deserted since they are a war zone.
But if they are truly retarded...
Clear your mind.
posted 09-01-06 05:52 PM EDT (US)
. (Ueriah was my arch-debator back in EEH in the build-up to the Iraqi War).
