1. You're giving the U.S. more than what they had at that time.

2. The U.S. as a nation, was still relatively close to the British, except for the fact that they were "free."

3. The U.S. as a civ., no matter how you put it, stinks. The War of 1812 shows just how bad the military was. Heck, almost nobody wanted to join the U.S. army after the revolution.

4. OK, let's say the idea of U.S. as a civ. goes through, but who would honestly pick them? In a match between Russia, Britain, Spain, Ottomans, and the U.S., the U.S. wouldn't stand a chance. So I don't know who likes to loose, if the objective of the whole deal is to become a "top" player.

5. The only way the U.S. would not be bad, would be if ES twitched history by making them strong. Honestly, the only good army the U.S. had at the time, was the revolutionary Continental Army, but so did Simon Bolivar and Jose De San Martin, and I don't see any Latin American civs.(And I wouldn't like to see any either).

I know you put a good amount on time on your idea, and most of the ideas are pretty good, but they just don't go with the U.S. of the time.

Either way if ES decides to put the US in they will find a way. thanks for your post Novoa20.

http://www.ingenting.f2s.com/western/repeters.htm
Here you can see 2 pictures of 1855 and an 1856 revoling carbine rifles. The ones I wanted for my Rider Dragoons.

The Gattling Gun.

[This message has been edited by King_Ali_Skahir (edited 01-25-2006 @ 04:56 PM).]

Don't think of me as an anti-U.S. gamer, it's just that I feel they wouldn't do as good as they should in a game with the theme being colonization and in the time period most of colonization takes place.

Now, I've heard of the U.S. having overseas colonies, but that's when they were a strong army. They got "saved" by Napoleon, after they failed to take over Canada and the British burned D.C., but then the British had to leave to fight Napoleon.

I would rather see the U.S. either as an option, along with Bolivar and Jose De San Martin, to be a sort of "natives" or something of that sort(Give Incas Bolivar's troops and Jose's troops, and make a native tribe named "Continental Army", and create the troops that you have set here). That would be really fun.

Like I said on my old post, your ideas are pretty good.

May I recommend that you leave them with the explorer, for the General just doesn't seem right. After all, they did have to explore beyond the Appalachians...

[This message has been edited by King_Ali_Skahir (edited 02-05-2006 @ 10:48 AM).]

Going into the Confederacy leads the whole thing way to far into the timeline. If ES takes the timeline up to the U.S. Civil War, then the U.S. should definately be included as a Civ.

Of course, they still wouldn't be the strongest, but they definately wouldn't be the weakest(This being completely different than if they added them right after they had gotten their independence or somewhere around 1812, when they were at their weakest).

Main Problem is that most of the Civilizations changed along with the times. The Spanish had lost most of their power, the Ottomans also. The French went from Empire to Republic to Empire, and so on. The British kept on adding land to their empire. Everything just changed, and it wouldn't look right with all the technologies and nations just barely colonizing.

BUT like I said above, from the Civil War and forward, the U.S. would be a great Civilization.

And you are correct I would have to change the Home City to Whashington D.C.

Hey Yamato Take how about this unit for your Japanese civilization :

A Samurai-Rifleman unit in the fortress age,
I imagined a Musketeer-like unit that uses a Katana in melee combat instead of fixing bayonets, and a musket/rifle in ranged combat, the same way the Jannisaries work for the Ottomans.

[This message has been edited by King_Ali_Skahir (edited 01-30-2006 @ 04:40 PM).]

As for Empofkilling, the idea isn't stupid, it actually contains very interesting units. Sure, it isn't the greatest idea ever, but it at least makes a point.

[This message has been edited by Van_Halen (edited 11-22-2019 @ 02:43 PM).]

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WTF do you call the settlers moving west? ROTFLMAO.

Quoted from Underpants Man:

I call it westward expansion, what do you call it?

Quoted from Van_Halen:

What is this, the battle of the imbecils!!??

Here we have the perfect example of two persons who don't know an F about history:

First we have Underpants, who doesn't know that by the time the US moved west they used basic weaponry that couldn't have stood an all out war against Russia, France, or any other nation of the time. The War of 1812 clearly shows how weak the US was, had it not been for Napoleon that was messing the British, right now there would be no US. The US couldn't even beat Canada(No offense to Canadians), which were also a bunch of colonists/English people with about the same weaponry.

Then we have Van_Halen, a perfect example of someone who doesn't even know what he's talking about. Nobody has been hating in the US in here, and yet genius comes in and starts talking about how great the US is and how everybody talks bad about the US. For one, we're talking about the old US, not the modern one.

1. The US doesn't give relief to the world, just to poor nations that don't have an ability to sustain their own economies.

2. The US had no reason to go into Iraq and take down the dictator. The US did because they wanted to, not because anybody asked them to. OR can you tell me otherwise?

3. People call the US bullies simply because the US takes advantage of their status to try and act tough on the rest of the world. There's Vietnam, Korea, etc. and several other incidents in which the US only helped for its own benefit and not because of "freedom."

Quoted from Van_Halen:

What are you, my travel agent? You're probably some US obsessed 12 year old, aren't you?

Just above you said that people hated on the US, and now you're hating on third world countries. You are a complete hypocrit.

Quoted from Van_halen:

The US wouldn't even be cool to play with. You clearly don't even know US History(Which makes me go back to the point that you aren't even in high school).

So, I won't discuss anything with inmature people, so don't bother responding me.

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On a side note, I'd like to apologize to King_Ali_Skahir for making such comments in his topic, but I had very good reasons to do so.

[This message has been edited by Novoa20 (edited 02-07-2006 @ 07:38 PM).]