Sounds good. But age up times would be nice.

[This message has been edited by frederick bill (edited 04-11-2007 @ 12:22 PM).]

got times?

when do you reach age4, when do you get all units etc.

problem with dutch fi, in my attempts, is that they dont have super militery shipments to abuse, you get 2 HC and thats it.

nor do they get huge economic bonus.

i feel they run out of breath after you lose the muskts and stradiots.

but if you can do better please share.

They have a nice native card you can send infinitely, which was boosted in 1.03.

3 lil bombards is pretty good too.

17 Ruyters (new in TWC) is better than your average industrial shipment.

[This message has been edited by jaafit (edited 04-10-2007 @ 08:12 PM).]

got times?
when do you reach age4, when do you get all units etc.

problem with dutch fi, in my attempts, is that they dont have super militery shipments to abuse, you get 2 HC and thats it.

nor do they get huge economic bonus.

i feel they run out of breath after you lose the muskts and stradiots.

but if you can do better please share.

Tbh I dont even feel like replying to you... I have seen some of your other posts and they are always ZzZzZZzZZZ.

First you have a top class eco if you do the 3 TC variation with the explorer, and if you do the TP model you end up with enough shipments after the first engagement to get the Factories quick.

The TIme for 30 Musk + Stradiot + 2 Cannon(slightly later) If needed is 12:00 Tp version (perhaps earlier if your micro is better), 12:30-13:00 with 3 TC.

I tested this at my own nub level =( (1900) v. Several other 1900ish players with very good results.... This was also tested by 2k+ players, and was recently used in a game against grunt below is the age community link (he lost but who beats grunt =P).... Peace.

http://www.agecommunity.com/stats/GameStats.aspx?loc=en-US&GameID=98310afa-7973-4fe1-acf4-2c94902340d8&s Flag=1&md=ZS_Supremacy

(I am pretty sure he does 3 TC variation)

[This message has been edited by Time4Victory (edited 04-10-2007 @ 08:34 PM).]

They have a nice native card you can send infinitely, which was boosted in 1.03.
3 lil bombards is pretty good too.

17 Ruyters (new in TWC) is better than your average industrial shipment.

how were the native boosted?

3 lil bombards are good, a bit hard to afford straight after 3k spend on church units though.

17 ruyter is of very good value, but when I have 30 muskts for anti cav, I'd want something more offensive.

Time4Victory suxs balls

warriors_thor go back to the saloon......

Frederick Bill go back to the Mars where you belong.

xD

I had this sort of strat ages ago, called the "Stadhouder Surprise", only I created that at noob level, and it only worked on noobs. If I were to do that now, I'd cut my returns and attack earlier, with less army, maybe shipping 14 skirms/2 HC/natives card etc.. while still getting the stadhouders.

Stadhouders is one messed up card :-(

+50% explorer HP
+50% attack for explorer
Super Wardog
200 wood TC's

All for an age 1 card

Stadhouders is one messed up card :-(
+50% explorer HP
+50% attack for explorer
Super Wardog
200 wood TC's
All for an age 1 card

Trust me its not that good...

being age1 card doesnt mean you will use it in age1, you dont get to build TCs till age3, so that bonus doesnt help at all for first 8 minutes, it slows you down a lot since you dont get that extra work force of vils or trickle, but you dont gain as much as you did in vanilla with it because everyone else's sniper cools down faster and treasures are now more heavily guarded. the dog is not a war dog, it has more HP but less attack. +50% may sound a lot, but it's really only 200hp + 3 attack for 1 unit......

overall i think it was agreed that this card is OK, but not better than 3 vils, or any normal dutch start.

If Dutch had 99 vill limit and if Dutch villagers could build TCs this would be one of the most OP cards ever. But they cant...

Btw this strategy isnt all that great IMO, a strong rush blasts even a CM TC and a strong, early age3 attack cant be countered by simply a CM TC and 12 swiss pikes.

ultimitsu writes:

how were the native boosted?

jaffit was talking about the 30 carib blowgunner shipment(repeat). It was bugged pre 1.03(don't provide elite lvel upgrade) and it is fixed in 1.03.

Stadhouders is one messed up card :-(

The 30 Guard Musks you get are called Stadhouders. I mean them, not the shitty card.

No, dude, the 30 guard muskets are stradiots. Stadhouder is the card that gives your explorer some weird unneeded improvements. The only good it really does is the cheap town center and just a little extra creeping ability, and by the time you send it (which, if you bother, would be around age 3 or something), there arent that many treasures left on the map. I like the stradiots though, they're a great way to go over the pop limit (get your pop to 199, then use stradiots tech, you get like 229 pop) if you turtle, and a nice surprise for those that get past your defenses, plus they annihilate cavalry i think.

Stadhhoulder is the card that gives cheap TC, but also the 30 musks in the Church.
Stradiots are merc cav, Waardlgendrends are Stradiot that you get at the Dutch Church.

LMAO!!! omg floyd was that supposed to be a joke?

cause if it was i thought it was funny

No, dude, the 30 guard muskets are stradiots. Stadhouder is the card that gives your explorer some weird unneeded improvements. The only good it really does is the cheap town center and just a little extra creeping ability, and by the time you send it (which, if you bother, would be around age 3 or something), there arent that many treasures left on the map. I like the stradiots though, they're a great way to go over the pop limit (get your pop to 199, then use stradiots tech, you get like 229 pop) if you turtle, and a nice surprise for those that get past your defenses, plus they annihilate cavalry i think.

If you're going to be a thread necromancer, at least get your facts straight.

The stadhouder (explorer) card is pretty good actually because you get the extra minutemen too.