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posted 08-31-07 07:28 AM EDT (US)   
Lately I've noticed that too many people are prepared for an Ottoman rush. With CM, and a preparedness for an attack, most Jan only rushes fail. If you include Abus early on, they either slow down your economy too much, or die, and you lose 750 res.

What I have been trying lately is a mixture of a Slow IOR + a FF.

Needed Cards:
3 Villagers,
Silk Road,
5 Jans, (just in case)
700 wood, food, and coin.
2 Cannons, Engineering school.

Recommended cars:
Eco theory,
5 Mamalukes,
TC wagon,
fort, and the two factory cards.
5 Spahi can be pretty devastating at the right time.

B.O-
Place 4 villagers on hunts, put the other two on wood crates.
When you have 250 wood, build one TP, if you have 600 wood, build another.
[First card, 3 vils]

If you only have 500, make a house, and put the villager to wood.

Make your explorer focus on getting XP and wood treasures.
Keep putting all vill's but one on food. Age up with 400 wood politician.
at the point change your workers so have have
9 on Food. Any others go to wood until you have another TP.
If you have two TPs up, place 1/2 on gold.

When you age up, gather the wood and research Stagecoach.
[Second card, silk road]
make sure you have at least 10 workers on food, then when silk road is shipped, send 700 wood.

With 700 wood build an artillery foundry, a mosque, and a barracks, and two houses.

Place the Tps on whatever resource you need.

If the other player is FFing, or booming, and you have the wood. Feel free to build another TP.

When the rax and foundry are done, begin making some soldiers.
Also research the millet system (faster vills) at the mosque.

When you get the 700 gold, age up with 4 abus.
When you've aged, begin to attack. I usually use a mixture of 35% jans, 55% abus, and either some Grenadiers or cannons.

"You may also need a few anus guns for someone like France"
-Cheese68

[This message has been edited by Malavir (edited 08-31-2007 @ 05:55 PM).]

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posted 08-31-07 08:11 AM EDT (US)     1 / 29  
How many Resource Shipments have you typically shipped by the time you get to Fortress? Are you using 1000W/G in Fortress? Just wondering whether you -really- need to send Silk Road?
posted 08-31-07 10:15 AM EDT (US)     2 / 29  
he is using silk road for the crates as well as the trade route.
posted 08-31-07 11:07 AM EDT (US)     3 / 29  
With Silk road, you get 30% more supplies on your trade route as well.
Lets say I'm playing a california, I have two Tp's and I send silk road, then 700 wood, the 700 gold.

If It goes past both trade posts 5 times, with the shipments of res I sent, I've already earned an extra 760 resources.

If I send 1000 coin, and 700 food, which I often do, and it goes past both tp's 10 times, thats 1590 extra resources on top of the base shipments of 4100 res.

The longer the game goes on, the more it's worth.

"You may also need a few anus guns for someone like France"
-Cheese68
posted 08-31-07 01:10 PM EDT (US)     4 / 29  
Place 4 villagers on hunts, put the other two on wood crates.
When you have 250 wood, build one TP, if you have 600 wood, build another.
Do you play Otto? you can only get 400 or 500 wood. IMO if you want to go for a silkroad FF, go ATP --->Silk road ---> 700 wood. Build only necessary houses and use the rest of the wood on TPs, use TPs to get the gold to age up.

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posted 08-31-07 02:03 PM EDT (US)     5 / 29  
This sounds like a rehash of the IOR with a few changes.

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss Ender_Ward.

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posted 08-31-07 02:16 PM EDT (US)     6 / 29  
What happened to Ender?

Edit: I read his thread. I hope he comes back.

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[This message has been edited by Catabre (edited 08-31-2007 @ 02:31 PM).]

posted 08-31-07 03:22 PM EDT (US)     7 / 29  
It's not the IOR at all, it's a boom that uses trading posts.

I also don't send ATP because it's not worth it as a card.
It's also why I don't Use all the wood on TPs.
I need extra housing for Abus, and for a mosque.

If you send ATP you have too few villagers I think.
I tried it already.

"You may also need a few anus guns for someone like France"
-Cheese68
posted 09-01-07 01:54 AM EDT (US)     8 / 29  
i doubt hell come back look at as's cb forum
posted 09-01-07 02:02 AM EDT (US)     9 / 29  
is it better to ship ATP or 3 settlers/Capitalism?

ATP allows you to have 2 TP's by the time you advance to colonial.

3 settlers allows you to build that first tp instantly, without waiting for the card. 3 settlers is generally a 10-second faster age up time than capitalism, but cap will be like an extra 2-3 vills throughout the whole game. It also means you will research mosque techs later rather than sooner.

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posted 09-01-07 02:36 AM EDT (US)     10 / 29  
I think ATP is too slow, and it also doesn't pay of the res of waiting. Plus having two faster doesn't make a difference until stagecoach.

"You may also need a few anus guns for someone like France"
-Cheese68
posted 09-01-07 04:23 AM EDT (US)     11 / 29  
Well the nice thing about ATP is they're not going to be tempted to burn them down. And if they do they're going to lose some units in the process and you can put it back up for real cheap. But I don't know if the payoff of waiting for it would be greater than just throwing up a TP for normal cost...

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posted 09-01-07 04:28 AM EDT (US)     12 / 29  
Put up the first TP normal cost then then next 3 with ATP

My grandmother slaps harder than the Agra Fort shoots. And she's dead. ~ Ender_Ward

By the same token, if I attempt to operate the mouse using nothing but my butt-cheeks, micro will also come down to "luck." ~ Beatnikjoe
posted 09-01-07 06:01 PM EDT (US)     13 / 29  
Depends on the map though, If the map doesn't have 3 open, then some are vulnerable to enemy soldiers, as I don't have defense until later.

(how do I post a rec?)

"You may also need a few anus guns for someone like France"
-Cheese68
posted 09-01-07 06:34 PM EDT (US)     14 / 29  
If the TPs are vulnerable ATP is more important! 1500 HP and 10 attack is great for surving while your units get there ^^

My grandmother slaps harder than the Agra Fort shoots. And she's dead. ~ Ender_Ward

By the same token, if I attempt to operate the mouse using nothing but my butt-cheeks, micro will also come down to "luck." ~ Beatnikjoe
posted 09-01-07 09:03 PM EDT (US)     15 / 29  
Isn't it 3000 hp and 25 attack?

"You may also need a few anus guns for someone like France"
-Cheese68
posted 09-01-07 09:13 PM EDT (US)     16 / 29  
Thought it was 4.5k hp.... I know it's 25 damage but not exactly sure on the HP I just know it's a swack of hp.

And to post a rec, upload it to heavengames, theres a link on the main aoe3.heavengames.com and once it's uploaded you can link it in your mainpost for people to DL and watch.

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[This message has been edited by LordKivlov (edited 09-01-2007 @ 09:15 PM).]

posted 09-02-07 06:13 AM EDT (US)     17 / 29  
I know they got an extra 1.5k HP (total 4.5k) but I didn't know the value of the attack (might be 10 range though... maybe that's where I got confused)

My grandmother slaps harder than the Agra Fort shoots. And she's dead. ~ Ender_Ward

By the same token, if I attempt to operate the mouse using nothing but my butt-cheeks, micro will also come down to "luck." ~ Beatnikjoe
posted 09-02-07 07:18 AM EDT (US)     18 / 29  
Now the Question is, Is ATP worth three villagers.
Because it saves you a hundred wood, so unless you build 3 tp's after you get it, it's not worth the 300 res.
However on a map like great lakes it's definitely worth it.

"You may also need a few anus guns for someone like France"
-Cheese68
posted 09-11-07 06:21 PM EDT (US)     19 / 29  
The only Civilzation I have a hard time against is the germans.

"You may also need a few anus guns for someone like France"
-Cheese68
posted 10-07-07 02:53 PM EDT (US)     20 / 29  
wouldn't it be more effective to send 700 glod crates, or put more villys on gold to do an ff and only have like 3-5 on wood, just wondering
posted 10-09-07 01:46 PM EDT (US)     21 / 29  
Well... If you're trying to FF it's better, but this is not an FF.
I find the Otto FF isn't all that powerful, as all of it's great shipments (Spahi for instance, cost res.)
And so it's vulnerable to a rush.

So this is more of a short boom to get res, with military to hold off rushes.

"You may also need a few anus guns for someone like France"
-Cheese68
posted 10-09-07 04:35 PM EDT (US)     22 / 29  
at higher level of play, it is very imporant that when you use SCTP, you dont let your opponent get TPs.

the cost of 400 to research SC will take a long time to pay back, if he gets same number of TP as you do, you are actually at a big loss.

this is why generally, if you want tp upgrade TP and use SR, attack as early as you can to keep him off TP, it doesnt have to be all out rush, semi-ff will do, but the key is to keep pressure.

i dont advise to get SC early on maps like with one long trade route with many TPs, it is very hard to countrol them all.
posted 10-09-07 08:56 PM EDT (US)     23 / 29  
The Question here is:

- Do you really wanna boom as Ottoman?

I think ottos have a lot of better strats, you can rush, FF, FR, or even FI better then boom, and if u wanna boom why not a Fishing boom? We can list the civs that can do it better, Dutchs, Briths, Frenchs, Aztecs... Also When Im playing vrs anbody who reasearch Stage Coat, Im for sure using some TP on my own, (aside NW Territory and Patagonia), if you are a ottos player u gonna realize it soon.
posted 10-10-07 04:49 AM EDT (US)     24 / 29  
What does 'res' mean??

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posted 10-10-07 04:56 AM EDT (US)     25 / 29  
Short for the word 'resource'
(how do I post a rec?)
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[This message has been edited by MusketeerKing (edited 10-10-2007 @ 04:59 AM).]

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