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Topic Subject: Revised Attack Bonuses
posted 10-05-02 06:45 PM CT (US)   
I was checking over MarkPD's thread "Attack Bonuses" when I realized all the numbers were total damage, not the actual bonus, and that some units were left out. Since he probably isn't here to update his post, I ran tests the same way he did, with no civ bonuses or upgrades, and got this list.

Attack Bonus vs. Cavalry

Knights, Cavaliers, Paladins, Missionaries, Cavalry Archers, H Cavalry Archers
Spearman- 15
Pikeman- 22
Halberdier- 32

Camel- 10
Heavy Camel- 18

Mameluke- 9
E Mameluke- 12

E Eagle Warrior- 4

Cataphracts
Pikemen- 10
Halberdier- 20

H Camel- 6

E Cataphracts
Pikemen- 10
Halberdier- 20

H Camel- 2

Camel, H Camel
Spearmen- 7
Pikemen- 11
Halberdier- 16

Camel- 5
H Camel- 9

Mameluke, E Mameluke
Spearmen- 7
Pikemen- 11
Halberdier- 16

Camel- 10
H Camel- 16

Huskarl- 6
E Huskarl- 10

Skirmisher- 3
E Skirmisher- 4

E Eagle Warrior- 2

War Elephant, E War Elephant
Spearmen- 30
Pikemen- 47
Halberdier- 60

Mameluke- 9
E Mameluke- 12

Camel- 10
H Camel- 18

E Eagle Warrior- 4

Attack Bonus vs. Infantry

All Infantry
Hand Cannoneer- 8

Jaguar Warrior- 10
E Jaguar Warrior- 10

Cataphract- 9
E Cataphract- 12

Attack Bonus vs. Archers

All Archers
Skirmisher- 3
E Skirmisher- 4

Huskarl- 6
E Huskarl- 10

Attack Bonus vs. Siege Weapons

All Siege (including COBRA CARS)
Battering Ram- 43
Capped Ram- 54
Siege Ram- 68

Bombard Cannon- 28

Eagle Warrior- 6
E Eagle Warrior- 8

Mangudai- 3
E Mangudai- 5

Attack Bonus vs. Buildings

All Buildings*
Man-at-Arms- 1
Long Swordsman- 2
Two Handed Swordsman- 3
Champion- 3

Berserk- 2
E Berserk- 3

Throwing Axeman- 1
E Throwing Axeman- 2

Tarkan- 8
E Tarkan- 10

Samurai- 2
E Samurai- 3

Teutonic Knight- 4
E Teutonic Knight- 4

War Elephant- 7
E War Elephant- 10

Jaguar Warrior- 2
E Jaguar Warrior- 2

Huskarl- 2
E Huskarl- 3

Woad Raider- 2
E Woad Raider- 3

Spearman- 1
Pikeman- 1
Halberdier- 1

Battering Ram- 125
Capped Ram- 150
Siege Ram- 200

Petard- 500

Trebuchet- 243

Bombard Cannon- 200

Demolition Ship- 164
Heavy Demolition Ship- 220

Cannon Galleon- 200
E Cannon Galleon- 275

Attack Bonus vs. Monks

All Monks (including Missionaries)
Eagle Warrior- 8
E Eagle Warrior- 10

Scout Cavalry- 6
Light Cavalry- 10
Hussar- 12

Attack Bonus vs. Unique Units

All Unique Units
Samurai- 10
E Samurai- 12

Attack Bonus vs. Ships

All Ships
Bombard Cannon- 41

Spearman- 2
Pikeman- 6
Halberdier- 11

*I seem to get different number at times. It is probably due to the fact that buildings have a special armor, Building Armor, which I am not factoring in. Since I have no clue what Building Armor is for each building or what effect it has on attack, these numbers may or may not be accurate.

There are probably a few I forgot, but that will be added when they are discovered. I won't even bother with those "Attack Bonus +4, but only vs. Battering Rams" kind of attack bonuses.


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[This message has been edited by zyxomma100 (edited 09-13-2003 @ 11:36 AM).]

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posted 10-08-02 06:19 AM CT (US)     1 / 7  
Umm.. I have some different numbers

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posted 10-08-02 09:30 PM CT (US)     2 / 7  
Are you forgetting to subtract armor? Do you have any upgrades messing with the numbers? Are civ bonuses being activated? Are you including the attack of the unit?

If the answer is no to all 4 questions, there is something wrong.


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posted 10-08-02 10:27 PM CT (US)     3 / 7  
just note that for example spearmen, have +15 vs cav, but like +7(i think?) vs camels, and +0 elite cataphracts. Also, notice buildings have different armor. According to this chart, barracks 0/7 armor while farm 0/0 armor. Masonry = +10% building HP, +1/1 armor, and +3 building armor. Whatever building armor is i dunno. Grrrr, if i had anywhere to post this .pdf for aoc unit tables I would. Though it is missing a few bonuses, such as spear line vs ships. The link for it from MFO is broken. I suppose if any wants it, I could send through email or icq or msn or aim.

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[This message has been edited by slamdrew (edited 10-08-2002 @ 10:29 PM).]

posted 10-08-02 10:34 PM CT (US)     4 / 7  
Oh, I completely forgot attack bonus vs. ships. I'll add that when I don't feel lazy. Maybe I will have to add those screwy bonuses, because the spear line bonus vs. elephants is also different. Why is this so complicated?

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posted 10-30-02 01:07 AM CT (US)     5 / 7  
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I added some bonuses to the list.


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posted 10-31-02 00:24 AM CT (US)     6 / 7  
well there where some funny results there so I did halb vs catha test and ofcoure they get a bonus vs cathas but slighter.

halberdier get 20 in bonus vs cathapract
halberdier get 16 in bonus vs elite cathapract

just didnt think it made sense (and it didnt)

for example: non upgraded halb (dark age halb) has 6 in attack and the catha has 110 hitpoints with one attack the catha goes down to 86 hitpoints. 110-86 = 24
now the catha has 2 in melee armour so the damage should have been 26. now take away the 6 attack of the non upgraded halb 26-6 and u get ... what ? 20 in bonus


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posted 10-31-02 11:19 PM CT (US)     7 / 7  
Thanks, fenris. I tested, and found you were right. I did tests with Camels against other types of cavalry, too. I'll try to test mamelukes and eagles before the end of the day.

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