This goes for everyone, who are planning to announce their projects:

SCREW THE TRIGGER COUNT OKAY??????????????????????????

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The Tycoonist sounds quite interesting...Kinda GTAish. (^.^) Hope it turns out good.

By the way, your pictures can't be seen.

Nice idea, sounds promising. The pictures are also nice. However, you should know that the players will quickly get bored with the monotonous gameplay of collecting money or money equivalents, with minimal actual action involved. Hence, the events chosen must be quite impressive enough to attract attention and excitement. I say, the very best of luck, for if done well, this might truly be revolutionary!

thanks for the comments:

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The amount of triggers does have little influence on how good a scenario is but if there are more triggers in a scenario it is likely, depending on the designer, that there are more events etc that make it good.

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GTAish yes i suppose, although it is on the very extremes of similarity with GTA. You can't see the pictures? hmm.. Don't know why that is.

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Yes i took this into consideration when designing the concept and i have made it as fast paced as possible. In addition it is a multi-player scenario making it even more fast paced as your opponents will have human minds at the helm rather than AI.

Why can't you accept the fact that sometimes other people are correct? You spend all your time trying to explain yourself. I'm sick of it.

EDIT: You could have just written it all down in the topic thread, instead of making everyone look at your hard to read images. Why is everything centered?

[This message has been edited by Colo the Great (edited 06-02-2005 @ 02:19 PM).]

You know, when i saw that you have posted in my thread i knew before reading that it would be something pointless and pathetic. Now i don't want this thread to be ruined by you like my last one was so if you've nothing constructive to say then don't say it. Members like Pulkit and Surge have posted their comments to query my design, so i explain what i will do or have done to resolve the criticism, that's what thread like this are all about.

Much appricated.

Of course good projects need triggers, but one doesn't need to boast about the number of triggers. We'll all see how well the triggers are done when we play the game. I mean, "even" 200 triggers can make a good enough scenario. Sometimes high trigger count makes the whole scenario feel overscripted.

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Good thinking. Infact, multiplayer is a very wise option, it will reverse the whole 'boredom' issue into 'competition,' a lot of fun to play. Good work, and good luck!

very true, i decided to put that as a feature as i couldn't think of anything else to put but yes its not the amount of triggers that counts its what you do with them.

@ pulkit: thanks

[This message has been edited by pharoh_elite (edited 06-02-2005 @ 03:19 PM).]

Yes, but if it is multiplay, it will slide into the realms of the forgotten and unreviewed, just like my scenario.

That is a big possibility but there are still a lot of people who play online who do not necessarily come on this site. So longas it gets played online i'm happy. If it doesn't get reviewed then i'm still happy. Scenarios like the classic Paintball and such survived because people kept playing them, if it's good enough to be played by lots of people then thats all i want.

Of course, in the eventuality that this does not occur i may have to rethink and create a single-player version that is just as fast paced. I would have to customize the AI using triggers which would take up about 1000 but anyway...

Sounds interesting, looking forward to it's release

A trigger count can also be misleading. Most of my scenarios have less than 200 triggers, but each trigger usually has 5-15 effects. Instead of making a new trigger for each name change, for example, I have one "names" trigger, which I put up to 15 or so change name effects, and start more triggers for more names as needed. If I made a new trig for each effect, I might have 1000 triggers, but it would be the exact same scenario (though probably harder to make, because you have a list of 1000 triggers you need to search through if you need to fix something.)

I feel like I have to make a contribution to this trigger discussion: maybe it's meaningless posting the trigger count, but I'll much rather download a campaign with a 1000 triggers than a 200. In most cases that is a indication of a dynamic and interactive campaign, even though there are exceptional cases. I don't really think someone would make a 100 triggers to rename a 100 units. Even though my project Grand Theft Empires have passed 1000 triggers I recently removed over 200 triggers just to improve the game. Some scens just require that much triggers because when you're working with different conditions you can't compress it by using 30 effects in every trigger - take conversations as an example.

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Thanks, it'll be a while but not too long I hope. Sometime later this year.

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I have to say that i agree with oliver. Most good designers who are likely to complete a project with over 1000 triggers are not likely to be stupid enough to have a seperate trigger for each name change. I, like King Bob have a trigger for non-looping names and for looping names (buildings or villagers)Connecting dialogues in a conversations can take up anything from 2 to about 50 triggers and beyond.

Sounda alot like the "Just Life" scenario posted about on this forum. Has the same idea, buying and selling propertiys and rising up throught the ranks. Persnoally they both sound so i'll just play the first which comes out.

just checked out this "Just Life" scenario you talked about. Yes there are similiarities in his scenario to mine but looking closer they are completely different. I believe his is about making money and living you life like you have to do in The Sims. His screenhsots shows mostly suburban land. The Tycoonist however is all about being a business entrepeneur, building a business empire in an urbanized environment. I'll have to wait for the release of his to see how similar it is.

i see, yours is basilscy Sim City, and his is the Sims. Similar but different. I like them both, but i'll proably play "Just Life" more when it comes out, no offense, i just prefer the idea like playing life, instead of the pressue of coparte enemeys etc.

Whatever, I find it pointless to argue with you, as you'll never admit that sometimes you are actually wrong.

This is kind of lik my map 'Just Life'.

Good luck with it

edit: nvm I just read the few replies befor mine.

Actually they are very similiar, almost identical.
The only diference I can see is:

In mine you start with a farm. --- In yours you start with nothing but money.

And yours is mroe economical, mines is more based on one character, and his life.

[This message has been edited by Crusad3r (edited 06-03-2005 @ 05:50 PM).]

In answer to everything i think what Scud says sums it up:

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We'll have to wait till the release of our scenarios to see for certain Crusad3r. I'll look forward to downloading yours.

*UPDATE* New Screenhsot Added.

Nice screenshot. You should try map copying the houses over each other for variation.

Good work.

Well like you said, we just have to wait and see. I am anxious to see your map when its finished aswell.

Not bad. Did you photo-chop the minimap or something?

It's called the Blur Tool.

Thanks all, yes i blurred it as colo said. When you say map copy the houses over each other colo, what exactly do you mean?

Just go to the terrain tab and go to the map-copy section. Then highlight the house, then place it next to the current house or another building. You can put a few tiles overlapping the current building. Map-copy allows you to overlap buildings to a certain extent which can give you really good eye-candy effects. Well, don't overlap too much or else the current building might disappear.

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You can map copy buildings upto any extent. Using map-copy, you can achieve buildings upto one tile from being exactly on top of each other. More gap can obviously added. Using the eraser bug one gets buildings on top of buildings.

ah, thanks. A trick I was not aware of. Obviously, if your looking for houses to look seperate or "detached" housing then the trick isn't necessary. But not everyone is that well off, including me .

Sorry for the off-topic.

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@pulkit: What eraser bug are you talking about? Sorry, I don't know about it.

@RoH: The erase bug is only applicable in versions of AoK without the C-patch. When you create a building, you can erase it by using the 'Erase Building' feature in the 'Terrain' section. The building will be erased graphically, but it will remain there. So now you can place another building on the very same location. Again erase it. This will leave a blank map portion, but the buildings will be there. Simply map-copy this location to another place, and you'll notice that both buildings have regained their graphics, but will be right on top of each other! If this doesnot work properly, try often until you perfect it. If all this is unclear, drop me a note.

I didn't know about that. Interesting.

Well, in SWGB that is also fixed AFAIK with the exception of one building: fortress (see: castle).. put on some place a fortress, and then "erase" it just by replacing the terrain it is with starfield... the fortress will still be there, and can fire with AA-missiles out of nowhere

again with the off-topic , lol but nice trick.

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