Looks good. Good luck. Total conversions take a lot of time...

This sound great, but the unit angles are of, they should be isometric.

Well the footsoldiers look fine, and he's not gonna go wrong with angles if he's using the AOK horse, is he?

huh? oh so it is... Its kinda hard to tell from the direction of the horse.

In the Roman tech tree, instead of the upgraded spearman being an Auxila you should make him a Triarius. Triarii were Rome's veteran spearmen in the pre-Marian days. Auxila were post-Marian.

Hehe. Triarii. Don't think I know that? Well get to know me better. I am probably one of the biggest military history nerds you've talked to. Triarii are the Roman unique unit, the best of the best. And you're probably thinking of Rome Total War. Well let me tell you that that game is not incredibly historically accurate. Spears were cheaper than swords, so auxiliaries (the poor Republican soldiers) used them. This is shown in the use of velites. Eventually, the Post-Marian army used barbarian auxiliaries, as well. And I won't just be using the AOK horse. I just got kinda lazy when I was doing the prototype cavalry. Also, the armor is gonna be given more shades and tones.

EDIT: Triarii question added to topic.

[This message has been edited by spartan2 (edited 03-29-2006 @ 08:49 PM).]

Good luck with this.

AoE1 has many units related to your mod. Make use of them.

I'm not going by Rome: Total War. I know how historically innacurate that game was. However I was under the impression that of the 5 lines of the pre-Marian legion (only 3 lines survived to Marian times, as 2 of the lines were incorporated into the velites and after that the velites were incorporated into the hastati and princepes) only the triarii and 2 of the lines that became the velites (I forget the name at the moment) used spears. Velites themselves used javelins, and the hastati and princepes for the most part used swords (because they could afford them and swords were lighter and more versatile). I never heard of pre-Marian legions using auxilieries per se, however many of their armies included maniples of their Latin allies. Knowing what we know about warfare in ancient Italy (as a product of the introduction of the Greek phalanx), they would probably have used spears for the most part.

EDIT: The two lines that became the velites were the rorarii and the accensi.

[This message has been edited by UnsungHero (edited 03-30-2006 @ 05:42 PM).]

good luck with this. looks cool

Basically, I am saying the velites were auxiliaries. Whatever. I don't really care that much about it. Instead, should I put the Latin hoplite? The mod basically stops at 270 B.C., so even the Republic was not fully developed.

EDIT: Hastatus added to the topic. And AOE has some pretty wierd graphics. The legion has a tiny, circular shield and a cape, and looks nothing like a Roman soldier, or anything in fact. The phalanx is okay for a hoplite, but I don't really like it. I do like the elephants, though. I'll probably end up using it, but editing it. The chariots are good, also.

[This message has been edited by spartan2 (edited 03-30-2006 @ 09:43 PM).]

Now, let's just say I waned to work on something pertaining to... say, Judaea. Which of these would these would be the closest:

- geographically?
- technologically?
- historically?
- and lingually?

FYI, the Sarmatians had cavalrywomen, so they could be the Sarmatian UU.

A history of the Sarmatians: http://www.silk-road.com/artl/sarmatian.shtml
The Kontos, a weapon used by Sarmatian cavalry:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontos
Sarmatian history from Wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians

Also, I VIE for sound conversions, too (if at all humanely possible). I don't like hearing Scandinavian from a Roman civilisation.

Well, there were tons of barbarian tribes I wanted to add, but I had to deal with it. The Sarmatians did have superb cavalry, and the Romans consistently used mercenary Sarmatian cavalry. But I had to do that, since there were only 8 civs. I'm going to change the Woad Raider's stats a ton to get a cavalry unit. The Trinoivantes will get Woad Warriors. And this time, they'll actually be blue.

I could have also added Judaea, but again, civ numbers formed a restrictive barrier to the historical accuracy of the game.

Should I put in a new music score?

I dont know if that is even humanely possible.

And, what I mean is, of all the civs you have labeled, which one wouls be closest to Judaea geographically (by location), technologically (by what technologies they had), historically (by their history, growth, expansion, collapse, etc), and lingually (by a language cloase to Judaean language: Aramaic and Hebrew).

I'm not putting in Judaea.

Very cool attempt to a ModPack, but I'm now working on the hugest project ever.
It is called:
Age of Imperialism
With amazing graphics!
Scenario_TC does also know it.

@Scenario_TC:
I don't want to irritate you, but I want to tell the follwing to you:
> The hugest project ever called Age of Imperialism has started, after I finally found back the game manual with the registration code. (how embarassing)
> I was amazed, when I extracted all images from the anlagen.dat. First, I used the one of the demo before.
> Some graphics can directly added to the game such as the lumbercamp, stone/gold mining camps, the mill, a barracks like building, a castle, the houses, and many things of the nature.
> I have luck, because (as you know already) every building has it's own sounds (In AoK Format!!), and icons!
> I only don't know, if I shall add the other civs like the eskimo's, pirates, venetians, etc.
> Also, I have to translate all buil;ding descriptions to English!
> And I have to convert all images
> All images together from the anlagen.dat: over 40.000 images, size +/-700MB

I found out more about the so called figuren.dat:
The first file is called something like "figurenheader.dat".
This is a very important file! it contains all palette's, and other image information.
The other parts that follow contains all the unit graphics, but as i have told, all their image info is stored in that figurenheader file!
I'm also member of a anno1602 fansite. I will ask there, I they know more about it!

Wow, that sounds cool. Can you tell me where I can get anlagen.dat? And how to extract the images?

Carthage was located in Northern Africa, not in Europe. They have invaded it, though, and conquered the Iberian Peninsula and Northern Italy.

Carthage was not supposed to be as powerful as it was. It was founded by the Fenicians (sp?) as a merchant colony. But it grew up to huge proportions...

As for the barbarian tribes, the only one I know from your list are the Helvetii. Helvetia is nowadays known as Switzerland.

Quote:

Phoeincians. Anyway, they did settle in North Africa and called it "New Tyre" (Tyre was there capital iirc), but then New Tyre wanted independence and became Carthage.

*sigh*

never mind spartan.

it sounds great.

what bout the mesoamerican priests? What'll you do with them and the greek-city states?

To get the Anlagen.dat, you must buy the game Anno1503, or download for free it's demo.
On a website named Annopool, you can get the tool in the utility's section of the downloads.
There are +/- 5 download pages, so you have to search a little wile.

Before you going to make MOD's to for this file, tell it to me.

EDIT:
Note: In the full game, you have a venetian civ...

[This message has been edited by Ancient Warrior (edited 04-08-2006 @ 07:00 AM).]

Ancient Warrior, please don't brag about your mod in other people's threads...

@ Mega Idiot:
First read some replies that were posted BEFORE MINE REPLY, then, you will know why I said that.
Do YOU think that I think that it is FUNNY to talk about the SOURCE of my Mod, where somebody ASKED to me to give it?!

I recomend you to READ before REPLYING!

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[This message has been edited by Ancient Warrior (edited 04-10-2006 @ 06:15 AM).]

@AW

Next time, use a proper quote code, like this:

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You may click here to learn how to quote properly.

[This message has been edited by scenario_t_c (edited 04-10-2006 @ 11:35 AM).]

About Carthage, I know that it wasn't Europe. It's architecture was, though. It had a Senate very similar to Rome's. By the way, it's "Phoenicians". The term Punic comes from the Latin word for Carthaginian- Poeni, which refers to its founders- Phoenicia. If you play Rome: Total War, there are "Poeni Infantry" and that means Carthaginian infantry. Also, Sicily is divided into three regions, one being Sicilia Romanus: Roman Sicily, Sicilia Graecus: Greek Sicily, and Sicilia Poeni: Punic, or Carthaginian, Sicily.

@Cesar: The Helvetii were a huge nomadic tribe, with hundreds of thousands of warriors and more civilians. THey left a huge wake of destruction on their continuous path of migration. Julius Caesar eventually defeated them, ending their reign of terror over the smaller tribes.

@Tarkan: The Mesoamerican priests, I hadn't thought of. I might just make them regular priests, like the others.

@Ancient Warrior: Thanks for the info.

@ Spartan 2:
Isn't it usefull to use some slp's from age of empires 1?!

I've pretty much answered this in post #11 in the EDIT part.

[This message has been edited by spartan2 (edited 04-11-2006 @ 01:12 PM).]

Do you guys think I should add new ambient (background) music?

Will the Spartan Hoplites cost alot of food to help show the spartans entirely slave labor dependent agriculture?

Well, hopefully, I'll give Spartans a special unit called helots, and they're basically villagers. However, villagers are replaced. For every Spartan unit (as in infantry) three helots are available to build. However, archers, peltasts, cavalry, and other units that real Spartiates would be do not allow helots to be built. Spartan hoplites cost more expensive than most other units, but not very much. However, they are rather slow, and take a while to create. They are not necessarily weak against archers, but a good contingent of archers can beat poorly used Spartans with no counters. This is a huge advantage for Athens, but I don't like Athens, so Sparta will be much better because of my biases. Archers will be available to the Spartans late in the game, along with many other units, such as cavalry. They have superior starting infantry, however.

Speaking of Athens... Will they have good navel bonuses to help represent their big navy after that one war?...

Best of luck to you man. Nice to see the AOK modding community is not giving up. Cheers!

Yes, Athens' navy will be powerful in the beginning, but eventually, everything will even out. Also, the Athenian ships will be built faster.

And thanks, HistoryGuy.

[This message has been edited by spartan2 (edited 04-19-2006 @ 10:59 PM).]

I got a few more questions...

Will the Sarmatians have woman horse riders as a unique unit? And if so what are they going to be Hussar like?

Also will Thrace have falxmen? I love that weapion.

Will Macadon have compaion calvery? If so will they be the best calvery in the game?

How would one play a civ like the Numidians, are they going to be ranged orianted?

What was egypt like just prior to Alexanders conquest?