A Basic Buildup for a FLUSH:
This buildup is made for Huns, BUT it work with every civ. (Exeption Mayans as you do loom first before building vills)

Villager 1-6 eat sheep.
Villager 7 cut straggler.
Villager 8-11 build lumbercamp and cut wood.
Villager 12 run to boar.
Loom (When loom 80% start attacking boar)
Villager 13 Build mill with berries.
Villager 14 eat sheep together with the villager that hunted the boar.
Villager 15 go to gather berries.
Villager 16 hunt second boar.
Villager 17-21 make farms.
Villager 22 make second lumbercamp.
Villager 23-24(or 25) eat boar/sheep.
Click feudal.
Move wounded villagers to farms, and move the full hp farmers to cut wood.
Move the rest of the villagers that was eating the boar exept two to wood.
Those two left move em and make a bax.

Hit Feudal.

Make archery asap with those that made the bax.
Que vills at the tc.
Click lumber upgrade.
Que spears (two).
Click on one of the villagers building the archery, and make another with him.
Put the villagers your making on berries or best if you got the wood farms.
Que skirms/pikes/villagers all the time.
Attack the enemy when you feel you got enogh, or wait and defend.
Make a stable or blacksmith as fast as you can afford it.
(I prefer stable).
Que scouts if stable. Get upgrades if blacksmith.

Continue to make army/vills go castle when you got the resources.

Fast Castle Fireship Rush:

Best civ to use is Persians

Villager 1-2 - Build house, then sheep.
Villager 3 - Build house, then sheep.
Villager 4-6 - Sheep.
Villager 7-10 - Build lumbercamp on a good wood spot.
Villager 11 - Make house, then hunt boar.
Loom
Villager 12-20 - Food
Villager 21 - Build second lumbercamp on a good wood spot.
Villager 22-25 - Build gold mine and mine gold.
Go Feudal
Keep all food villagers on food exept one that go to wood.
Reach Feudal.
Build Marked/Blacksmith, que 2 vills asap.
Villagers go to gold.
Go Castle asap villagers is finish.
Put all food vills exept 5 on wood. Make 3 docks with 2 vills. Make 2 houses. Get lumber upgrade.
Build fireships from 3 docks all the time. Make villagers when you can. Put em on food first then either gold or wood whatever you need.

You should manage a 15.10+ castle time with the lag in multiplayer games.
This strategy is best done in team games. And works best with 4+ deer herd. Still possible in 1v1 games tho.

[This message has been edited by Myll_Slaghter (edited 04-14-2002 @ 11:57 AM).]

Gush

Best done with Vikings.

Villager 1-2 - Build house, then sheep.
Villager 3 - Build house, then sheep.
Villager 4-6 - Sheep.
Villager 7-11 - Build lumbercamp on a good wood spot.
Villager 12 - Make house, then hunt boar.
Loom
Villager 13 - Build dock, then house (make 4-5 fish boats, put em on deep sea fish if possible).
Villager 14 - Wood.
Villager 15-23 Food.
Go Feudal
Put all food vills on wood exept 5 that go to gold.
Build more docks/houses with 1-2 vills.
Reach Feudal.
Make gallys, que vills, get lumber upgrade asap.
Keep making docks until you got 5.
Always have enogh houses.
Get blacksmith asap and get arrow upgrade.
Keep putting villagers on wood until you can handle 5 docks then make 6th. Put some more villagers on gold before putting em on berries. Get farm upgrade and start making farms. Go castle when you can. Keep making gallys.

Please ask Myll_Slaghter Game related questions in this thread!

yay! an "Ask Slaughter" thread!

wait..."game-related?"

nm, lol

um.. Does the sheep have rabies? My villagers died to it after trying to shoot it with the bow... man... that brown sheep was real fierce it squealed at my villies Plz help...

Ahem... here is my situation. I am hun. My enemy is Hun. Arabia, tiny, low res, regular settings. I make a barracks and an archery range, then i try to make another. I notice he has a foward base of 1 tower, a barracks and 2 a.ranges. I make 4 skirs, he makes about 20/30. Mine lose(doh). I want to make a FC, so, instead of making troops, i put 3 vills on stone, and i make a tower on my wood, another one on gold/stone, and another one near my farms. He calls me gay and all that crap, "towers are gay", etc etc. So, i advance do the castle age before him, and i make all the knights i can gather, with all upgrades(bloodlines, forging, iron casting, 2 scales and husbandry). He had about 40 skirs and 7/8 spears(no upgrades). I had 6 knights, and they killed them all!

Why? Aren't spears supposed to kill knights, and btw, he had a tower protecting him.

Needless to say that, then, i made about 60 Paladins while he had about 30 unupgraded knights. Guess who won .

Ok. My 2nd question. This one is important. No, really, it is.

Why do Interz and Experts garrison vills on a TC to kill sheep?

Haven't you ever seen records of the experts? They put vills on the TC, and ungarrison them to kill the sheep.

Why?

3rd one -
What is the perfect civ to counter the huns flush?
And the Perfect Tactic
And all that... build orders, etc, etc ,etc
This one is not so important has the 2nd one.

Feanor Wyr: hehe, hard to uncerstand if you kidding or just dont know mate Ill answer just in case. The brown sheep as you call it is a boar. You should have loom researched before hunting them. Attack it with one villager and lure it to the tc and attack it there with like 5-6 vills.

Tiago Marcelo:
Question 1: Spears is supposed to kill knights but... You need a ratio to like 3-4 spears pr knight if they dont have upgrades.
Question 2: Umm, There is only one time you should garrison vills to kill a sheep and that is if you is collect a other resource outside the tc. Like wood before finding the first sheep. Other times you lose too much vs doing that...
Question 3: There is nothing like a perfect civ, perfect strategy.

This is Important Slaghter. Awnser to the best of your ability.
I am gonna do a tournament game against an Inter+ or Expert, i dunno. In anyway, he is better than i am! He is not THAT better, but he is better.
The Settings are as follows:
Arabia
Tiny Map
Low Resources
Conquest Game
Normal Speed

Plz, any tips, hints, suggestions, tactics, devious ways to win the game , tell me.

What's probably gonna happen is:
We flush each other with skirs, spears and some scouts,maybe.
He advances to caslte age first.
He Makes knights
He kills my army, and makes a foward base
I advance too late and die.

Sven, where are you man T_T
Marcelo, try to find recordeds of him and find his weak spots
also, dont stay on defense to long, counter asap, if he pushes u on defense, mine stone and send 3 forward villagers and start a late tower rush, espacially take his wood, gold and stone

Geert We spoke about this a while ago, dont you remember ? Anyway Ill log on to zone and see if I can catch you online

Tiago Marcelo: As Geert said If you dont know how to start you can use the buildorder at the start of this thread.

Please, someone tell me what the term Flushing means. Is it like rushing? Also, what is the term given when a player builds heaps of towers surrounding your base? Is it called Towering?

Victor flushing is a Fuedal Rush so yes it is the same as rushing it is just a term used to define a rush in the fuedal age.
And in answer to ur 2nd question when some1 builds lots of towers around ur base that is called forward building(i think plz correct me if im wrong)Hope that helps

[This message has been edited by Althalus (edited 06-03-2002 @ 02:28 AM).]

Yup your right Althalus
Only thing is that building loads of towers only is also called "Trush" Tower Rush.

If you are fighting someone hard in feudal and doing a good job, but the game is still in the balance and he gets to castle, what should you do? Should you stay in fuedal and keep pressing, or should you stop making military for awhile so you can have the resources to go castle as well?

Question 2. You are attacking with skirms and pikes and you bring some vills to make a forward range or two and towers, how many should you bring so you don't hurt you econ too much but still have enough to do the job?

For ur first question, I read that when an enemy is in in castle, they have the ability to build TC's in key points of the map.. They can also build castles... which make rushes in Feudal very difficult due to the low technology...
So if i were you, I'd advance to castle if they advance...

As for ur second question, I reckon it's a matter of judgment and experience... Maybe 3-5 vills would be enough, but it really depends on your situation.

(NOTE: These answers are based on my opinion, get Myll_Slaghter to give you a TRUE and GENUINE answer ;') )

bobpfef:
Lord Victor answered nice but Ill add some more.
Question 1: Its a very hard question to answer. It depends on the situation etc. If hes in good shape then it wont help at all that you stay in feudal. But if he aint. Then staying can be a good choice. But lets say you will save for castle. It can be a good idea to continue making archers etc to keep pressure on him. Try to make the less food expencive units.

Question 2: Depends on what you want to do... I sometimes forward with 3 vills sometimes 4 but usally only 2. I never do the mine stone on his stonemines etc or stuff like that. So usally I never use more than two.

*Bans Feanor Wyr*
This is supposed to be a place where you ask serius questions about the game not where you fool around.
Please dont do the mistake to do this again. Thanks

"If you are fighting someone hard in feudal and doing a good job, but the game is still in the balance and he gets to castle, what should you do? Should you stay in fuedal and keep pressing, or should you stop making military for awhile so you can have the resources to go castle as well?"

In most cases people will mass knights once they get into castle age. If that is the case I'd defenetively stop making scouts and skirms so you can castle as well, but start production of spears as well as walling in important spots.

Souyrar_: Yea I agree with you, but if your winning then you should stay. If he got no gold he cant make knights either.

Yes but he was talking about a situation when noone was winning the feudal warfare so then you can hardly push on.

ok, I can get an 11:50 feudal time with 24 villies (I know, remember, I'm a rook ), and I make the basic skirm+spear army. I attack the enemy, and realize that the feudal fighting will be fierce if I keep the pressure on. My enemy has a large force, too...should I stay in feudal for a while and fight feudal vs feudal, or castle and give up some ground early, but try to take it back with stronger units? Whenever I castle, my opponent cripples me early, and whenever I stay and fight in feudal, my enemy goes knights and kicks my arse...what should I do?

Ballistix: Its hard to say. I always went full feudal war. But that might not be the best for you. Try some versions. One where you feudal "fast" 20-24min and one where your late 28-34min. I prefer the last one cause you got much more resources then and can make more units. Try to keep producing units nonstop. Switch to scouts and archers around 20-24min. This is to build up your food.