See Ashrzr in that Pokemon game, where he clearly labeled the game as screwed up. Or me in Catabre's game, or me in Xenophone's last game.

People bad mouth mods all the time, for whatever reason. As a mod, you should just sit back and see what the other players think. If all of the other players also think that the game is screwed up, well then you're at fault. If not, the person who made the initial claim will come out looking stupid. In both cases, the mod himself doesn't have to do anything.

Even now, instead of replying to me, you could have left the game go on into night and sent news of a loophole to one of the mafias, hence making me look stupid for claiming as such. Instead you decided to throw your toys out of the pram.

However, that is beside the point because I believed the loophole option should have been available to both the mafias from the start, to choose as they please.

I'd like to discuss this mechanic because as you know we were planning to design a mafia with the city mechanic but across different heavens, so discussing this could give us some ideas on how to plan that out.

I didn't want to make it too easy or too hard for the scum. I made them more powerful to compensate for any disadvantage they suffered.

The loopholes were to be given out randomly for free or for a price decided by Random.org. Here is what they were.

I-Stay in your city while killing someone from another city.
II-Send one random player there instead.
III-Send one of your lesser scum mates instead of your GF(This one was free)
IV-Lock down every possible route that could lead back to you.(This one cost a decent amount of money)

Only one of the mafias would get one on a given night. Give them both a loophole every night would defeat the purpose of the city mechanic.

See Ashrzr in that Pokemon game, where he clearly labeled the game as screwed up

Correction: He found it confusing and not well designed. A far cry from labeling it as flawed with loopholes for winning easily and comparing it to clearly flawed games.

Or me in Catabre's game,

You were lynched. All your stuff was after you were lynched. Irrelevant.

or me in Xenophone's last game.

Also irrelevant. Unless I missed something you "called it stupid" after the game was over. And you never tagged it onto a flawed game or said that you had spotted loopholes that would make the game easy to win.

Give me some real cases please.

Excuse me if I'm pissed but this is my second game in a row that has been prematurely ended. I was extremely sensitive to making the game work so maybe I over reacted a bit with you herr. I hope you understand.

Why you had to move your discussion of the Mafia thread that is now closed to here.

Can I request to get this solved or get a mod to close the sign-ups thread?

I don't see your problem with this thread Mithril Knight, it's not as if we're raining ad hominem attacks on each other.

Again, the flaw in this case was that the loopholes should have been available to the scum from the very beginning, at exorbitant prices or at set points in the game. It would allow them to strategize better, even while not compromising anyone's power. And you messed up your timing by not sending out news of the loopholes immediately to quell any discontent.

And you're being too literal here CV, there are no exact parallel situations to compare with this. What I gave you were obvious examples of a game being labeled as a screw-up in game with the mod still not interfering, while the other two examples are of a mod who's blatantly attacked for screwing up his game with a stupid role and/or unfair balance who chose to take that criticism constructively instead of taking it to heart and allowing their ego to be bruised.

Basically, everything I said in that post was contrary to my actions. I said I wouldn't play properly, yet I was the most active player in the game. I said I saw a loophole, yet as a survivor I had no business knowing about one. Eventually I would have been caught out and all that I said would have been revealed as lies, you didn't need to butt in.

Also, I never even hinted at what the loophole could do until you modkilled me and I was all RAGE x HATE. I never said it would make the game easier or tougher to win.

I will find you more apt cases over my spring break if you decide to stick around till then.

How would option IV work?

The rate at which you seem to be having "hissy fits + leaving" everywhere might just make you into the new Xzy, and trust me, that is not a good thing.

Oh geez.

Me and Ash were masons.

I was a Airport guy, and could lock down an airport. Only killers could pass through locked air port,

Ash was a full vigilante.

Together, we could have zapped out players.

We suspected Thymole, since he flew in to Tokyo, when it was locked. We planned to vig him Night 1, and if he escaped, we'd have gone for his lynch.
Was he scum?

I was the doctor :/

And I dont really know how I got into tokyo :P

And by the way

I was protecting YOU Gil :P

Herr, if it hadn't been night I'd have declared my VT role to get you to shut up.
Honestly man. You whined so much it was unbearable.

Someone modkill this guy for no reason next time he plays when he's almost about to pull off a mini-coup, then he'll shut up.

Plus, why would your VT role have shut me up?

That would have been an honest mistake Mole.

I was told only killers could get into locked cities.

How come you got in!

Because the mod f***ed up, most likely.

I was in Mozzy's mafia.

Herr, I was a JoaT and I was going to NK you that night anyways. I never, ever trust survivors :/

I was going to pre-empt vig strikes and switch cities anyway.

Because the mod f***ed up, most likely.

Shut up Mozzarella. You're acting like such an asshole. Sometimes I wonder why I put information in the day post when no one reads it. It was clear that two people who could lock down airports targeted each others location and canceled each other out. Please shut up.

Again, the flaw in this case was that the loopholes should have been available to the scum from the very beginning, at exorbitant prices or at set points in the game. It would allow them to strategize better, even while not compromising anyone's power. And you messed up your timing by not sending out news of the loopholes immediately to quell any discontent.

Why? How I set up my game whether it makes it harder for the mafia or easier is my business. I have a plan for the game and you don't. This way worked better IMO for balance.

And you're being too literal here CV, there are no exact parallel situations to compare with this. What I gave you were obvious examples of a game being labeled as a screw-up in game with the mod still not interfering, while the other two examples are of a mod who's blatantly attacked for screwing up his game with a stupid role and/or unfair balance who chose to take that criticism constructively instead of taking it to heart and allowing their ego to be bruised.

I want something during a game. You gave me two End game/after lynch situation where the players KNEW the flaws.

And other one didn't qualify because he only said the game was poorly designed and was confusing. Far cry from what you did. Get me these examples.

How would option IV work?

You would shut down your airport thus preventing any suspicion from resting on you.

Unless you did not use your action you would still die Heir.

Plus, why would your VT role have shut me up?

You claimed to have no role.

How would that have shut anybody up? You think there's only one VT per game?

I claimed as a thief. I never said I didn't have a role.

I was going to use my action CV, in fact I was going to ask you if there was anyway I could distribute the money to my scum buddies.

As for the parallel examples, I'm sure they exist cause I remember them, but I just don't have the time right now. So yeah, spring break. I'll email them to you if you aren't around then.

I had the ability of getting 2x the money from quests.

I was the backup godfather for Jecon's mafia.

And I was the Godfather.

I was well, the cop