...In the interest of democracy, I hereby provide the forum public with a choice. Do you prefer this thread or Blatant's? Vote now on your phones!

Now it's a runoff!

Donald Trump should bring back battleships!

(We need boats here too to keep it even)

Do you one better: Spaceships.

I like this one better

A vote for this thread is a vote to end poverty and world hunger! And for world peace! And to cure cancer! I mean, not that we'll be able to do anything about any of those issues, but those are ideals we support. In spirit.

So Popeboat vote votes his boat boat vote vote to this Vote Vote?

I actually am caught between them.

Vote: Vote Vote II: Twelve Angry Forummers

Sorry Blatant.

Now, where were we? Anti-immigrant douchebags are douchebags?

Nah I like this one better too, it has more seats. Plus world peace!

Hot take: world peace is impossible; only avoidance of world war is feasible.

Also...


So, pissed on world peace. Ruined Christmas. So, let's talk about Brexit. <_<

Popey, as a staunch Remainer, what is your take on the Remain campaign? Because I see a lot of other Remainers, who are understandably pissed, but they say that the campaign was utterly inept.

...But have you ever told someone to go to Somalia if they don't like government overreach?

Yes, I have. It's the best response to libertarians

Popey, as a staunch Remainer, what is your take on the Remain campaign? Because I see a lot of other Remainers, who are understandably pissed, but they say that the campaign was utterly inept.

About right. All the campaigns on the Remain side were woeful.

The thing is, it's over now. We're fighting over different issues: what should the deal be? Should it be ratified by a second referendum with an option to remain?

The campaign for the latter is much more powerful and I suspect that it will get a majority in the House of Commons. But whether it will then translate into an actual referendum is another matter because only a government can call them.

Would that referendum be binding (i.e. the government has to do what the results say) or non-binding?

What should be done about the Jewish Question?

The campaign for the latter is much more powerful and I suspect that it will get a majority in the House of Commons. But whether it will then translate into an actual referendum is another matter because only a government can call them.

I was under the impression you were opposed to a second referendum. Or have things been so utterly shambolic that it really does necessitate a complete do-over?

As an outside observer with no direct stake, I do find the idea of a second vote to be... not quite dubious, but perhaps a third cousin to it? On the other hand, well... Prohibition was a mistake and absolutely should have been repealed sooner. The electorate can make mistakes and/or be mislead.

Would that referendum be binding (i.e. the government has to do what the results say) or non-binding?

Another valid point.

What should be done about the Jewish Question?

And which question is that? Do tell!

Would that referendum be binding (i.e. the government has to do what the results say) or non-binding?

Unless legislation is passed explicitly making it so, no, it would not be legally binding.

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So it's a massive public opinion poll.

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You do nothing to dissuade these views and then post in ways that only reinforces them.

The dialogue these days is so poisonous, but it's okay. I think most conservatives have come to peace with the fact that if you disagree on any issue, your character will immediately be assaulted with charges of xenophobia.

I do think though that you lack nuance.

Well, I'm not really interested in getting into a nuanced conversation on the internet. Any nuanced position requires that the members of the conversation are more or less on the same side. Anything I say in this thread is just ammunition that will be twisted and used against me. I don't even have to mention any specifics and people accuse me of xenophobia.

That's a fair position, but it doesn't mean abortion can't be discussed in a reasonable manner by people who ideologically disagree with each other.

Well, I disagree. It can't. I've seen it discussed, and it always ends in a terrible shit show of people throwing the vile insults at each other, especially on the internet. People are starting to realize that at some point you cannot reconcile two worldviews that are antithetical to each other.

This isn't OD, and you're not Civis. I'd say six days out of seven, we can have a decent, civilized conversation across the aisle.

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Well, I'm not really interested in getting into a nuanced conversation on the internet. Any nuanced position requires that the members of the conversation are more or less on the same side. Anything I say in this thread is just ammunition that will be twisted and used against me. I don't even have to mention any specifics and people accuse me of xenophobia.

Regardless of this thread in particular, it's obviously not true that the idea that you can't have nuanced conversation with someone who isn't 'on your side'. I can think of nuanced conversations with people that don't disagree with me I've had personally.

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Yeah, Hillary needs to stop and step aside. Then again, who exactly is there for democrats that isn't a senior citizen? Michael Bloomberg recently changed his party affiliation to democrat and there's been strong rumblings about him running, but I'd rather we not have another businessman as president.

Anything I say in this thread is just ammunition that will be twisted and used against me.

Disagreeing with you != attacking you. All you're saying in your post is that you don't want to have to defend your positions

I'm telling you... her cultists will see her in the White House if it means her putting a pantsuit over bones and articulating her skeleton with pulleys and cable.

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