Maybe you should take ideas by looking at age of chivalry,it dosent have ages but centuries.Also some of the factions dont have uu's but balanced with other things.

Thank you, Mahazona .

Yeah, I thought about dividing the period into centuries like Age of Chivalry, but the period just wasn't long enough to be divided into four centuries. Perhaps I don't have to insist staying in the Sengoku period anyway, but I'd like to see if there are some other ideas.

European swordsman and musketeers?

What? Anything wrong about them?

Hello, Achesun, it's great to know that your modpack is progressing succesfully!
Concerning factions: maybe it would be better to make only one japanese faction, which get unique units and bonuses with mutually exclusive technologies? Something kinda of Alliances from Tales of Middle-Earth beta.

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You could include the Ainu and Ryukyuans as playable civs.

Thanks, R_V_A and chiruscan!

Well, making mutually exclusive technologies sounds like a good idea, but it might be weird to have only one faction as the theme is planned to be the Sengoku period, a time of civil war...anyway I think this technology idea can be applied to minor clans so they can have other clans' UU even without their own.

About the Ainu and Ryukyuans, well, I am no expert of Japanese history, so I am not sure how they're involve in the warfare of the clans. I might do some research about it.

Why not have shared uu's among the clans or do something like the Italians in FE? when you ally with them you can train the uu.

For ages maybe it can be auto researched once a certain amount of buildings are built. eg 3 town centers built and the next age is auto reached.kind of like rise of nations where you need additional cites to unlock the next age.

My biggest concern is do you have enough factions to fill up all the civis?

For ages maybe it can be auto researched once a certain amount of buildings are built. eg 3 town centers built and the next age is auto reached.

Good idea! Although I'm not very sure how this can be done through data editing. If it works, does that mean ageing up by building wonders like aoe3 is also possible?

My biggest concern is do you have enough factions to fill up all the civis?

Don't worry, the number of clans can easily fill up the 18 civs in AOE2.

Good idea! Although I'm not very sure how this can be done through data editing. If it works, does that mean ageing up by building wonders like aoe3 is also possible?

It's perfectly doable, the data won't be a problem for that, you can age up automatically by building one or several building and/or researching some technologies.

For civs i would have the various clans: Satuma, Takeda, Oda, etc.

The Ainu and Ryukyuans

Maybe the Wako(Japanese pirates)

Chinese and Koreans

And perhaps the Europeans who made contact with Japan by the 1500s: Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish, and English.

There's actually a lot more variety within the clans than you might think, though you'll still struggle to make them unique and fill at least all the AoC slots.

Here's a list of clans I think you can use, some with forseeable specialties:

Asakura (Monks)

Takeda (Cavalry)

Hojo (Defenses)

Uesugi

Oda (Gunpowder)

Mori (Ships)

Date

Chosokabe (Ships)

Ieyasu

Hosokawa (Ships)

Yamana (Monks)

Otomo (Monks/Gunpowder)

Shimazu (Infantry/Gunpowder)

Ashikaga

Miyoshi (Ships)

The rest, you could fill it up with the Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Chinese and Koreans, who all interacted with Japan within the period.

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Making non-Japanese factions is a good idea.
But, Achesun, are you going to make a new tech tree? With Japanese-specific techs linked with history and economics kinda 'Rock garden' or 'Rice exchange restrictions'(for example. I'm not a historian ) or something like that.
If you are going, then there can be problems with the addition of China, Korea and the Ryukyu (and especially European traders). Also these civs need their own unit graphics I suppose.


I saw your naginata unit with flag on his back, Achesun. A very cool unit, but it lacks a clan symbol. Japanese heraldry is beautiful. It would add atmosphere. Perhaps it is too hard to make hundreds of renders with different clan flags... Maybe it would be better to add a special banner carrier unit (or building). But all of this is just an opinion.

Concerning ages: maybe they could be named like social ranks? For example: the Peasant -> the Samurai -> the Daimyo -> the Shogun.

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Maybe the ages could be city stages (ie Village-Town-City or something).
Also, do like Age of Chivalry- with many bonuses per civ, and with each civ not necessarily having a standard number of unique units. Have the UUs available at not just the castle

It's perfectly doable

Great to know that! Thanks.

Maybe the Wako(Japanese pirates)
And perhaps the Europeans who made contact with Japan by the 1500s: Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish, and English.

I plan to make some Wako units available for some clan, same goes with the European units with some kind of nanban trade technology. They might not be fully playable factions though, since the whole unit set is changed to be Japanese style.

Here's a list of clans I think you can use, some with forseeable specialties:

Thanks for the information! That helps a lot.

Making non-Japanese factions is a good idea.

Yeah, but like you said the Japanese exclusive techs won't fit for others. And more unit sets are too much to be done.

Maybe it would be better to add a special banner carrier unit (or building).

Actually, when the unit set is all done I might try to make some eye candies for scenarios, with flags of different clan symbols.

the Peasant -> the Samurai -> the Daimyo -> the Shogun.

Yeah, I thought about that before, but still hesitate with the idea of promoting oneself to higher ranks...

Maybe the ages could be city stages (ie Village-Town-City or something).
Also, do like Age of Chivalry- with many bonuses per civ, and with each civ not necessarily having a standard number of unique units. Have the UUs available at not just the castle

Oh, this is inspiring...perhaps I can make monk related clans train a sohei set of units, and ninja related clans train melee and ranged shinobis.

Thanks, everyone.

Why, thank you! Though I'd thank Kor, not me . Also, since I want to make this post more than one sentence, could I use your blowgunner graphic for a mod which I will probably be releasing to the public (its the one from Portuguese Civ Mod 2)?

Yes, you can use the Blowgunner. See my reply in the PCM2 thread.

Maybe use something like this for the ages?

The Nanboku-chō Period – The Muromachi Period (Ashikaga) – The Warring States Period – The Azuchi–Momoyama Period

I have a crazy idea.

What if you try to replace resources. Say Iron instead of Stone . Because of rare use of stone in Japanese architecture, it is not appropriate for being strategic resource. Adding of Iron could make mod more distinctive. The balance could be more various.

Also it could be very cool to add a new kind of resource. It has been done in PCM II somehow if I don't mistake. It may be an Honor or a Glory or an Influence. The icons of resources on the top UI panel may be changed to match Japanese setting.

I made an example of how a new UI panel could look:

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The Nanboku-chō Period – The Muromachi Period (Ashikaga) – The Warring States Period – The Azuchi–Momoyama Period

Although I would want to keep the time period in 1467-1603, this seems close enough. Thanks.

rare use of stone in Japanese architecture

Perhaps stone wasn't largely used in civilian architecture, but castle and other structures were still built using stone. Would be kind of strange to build a castle costing iron in the game.

Also it could be very cool to add a new kind of resource. It has been done in PCM II somehow if I don't mistake. It may be an Honor or a Glory or an Influence. The icons of resources on the top UI panel may be changed to match Japanese setting.

Thanks for making the UI! Well, I did considered adding some kind of new resource like "export" in Aoe3. Foreign mercenaries and powerful European cannons can be trained using this resource. I just haven't come up with a working idea about how the players are going to get this resource.

Honor or a Glory sounds interesting as well, do you have ideas about how players can get it and how it can be used?

Perhaps stone wasn't largely used in civilian architecture, but castle and other structures were still built using stone. Would be kind of strange to build a castle costing iron in the game.

Well, most parts of a castle were built of wood. Only a basement was of stone. And castle could cost coins(gold) and wood for example.

Concerning Honor/Glory. It could be obtained with kills and it could be spent for the new techs and special units, wonders maybe. There is a "Units killed" resource type #20 in GenieEditor. But I have absolutely no idea how to make a new resource to appear on a top UI panel. Perhaps we could ask someone from PCM II team for help.

the Peasant -> the Samurai -> the Daimyo -> the Shogun.

Yeah, I thought about that before, but still hesitate with the idea of promoting oneself to higher ranks...

Toyotomi Hideyoshi is a man who promoted from a peasant's son to an outstanding feudal lord.

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Yeah, Hideyoshi is a good example, but very few peasants ever rises to become a "Buke" individual. Even if one does, not all daimyos(players) can become a shogun, there's only one at a time.

However, I am thinking about that the player can start as a retainer, and advanced to higher ranks.

Even if one does, not all daimyos(players) can become a shogun, there's only one at a time.

You are right indeed.

However, I am thinking about that the player can start as a retainer, and advanced to higher ranks.

I like this idea.

I am considering making new graphics for the monk unit, and replace the relic graphic of the original game. What should replace the relic with?

What should replace the relic with?

After a brief research I found on the Internet these photos. I think they might be suitable for your purpose.

http://www.trocadero.com/stores/welcometo/items/935205/Bronze-reliquary-in-zushi-Japan-Momoyama-period/enlargement1

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You can have the Samurais as trainable units(e.g. elite), even Daimyo can be in random map games, maybe as reskin for the kings? Shogun is when you win a game, in the post game screen, easy as that.

For the ages, what about: village(fort)-town(borough)-city(castle)-capital(fortress)?

What do you think about these rice farm terrains guys?

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Looks very photo-realistic RVA

Great job

You can have the Samurais as trainable units(e.g. elite), even Daimyo can be in random map games, maybe as reskin for the kings? Shogun is when you win a game, in the post game screen, easy as that.

For the ages, what about: village(fort)-town(borough)-city(castle)-capital(fortress)?

Yeah, the Samurais will be trainable units in the barracks, Daimyos units is also in my plan. And I like the idea you can see you becoming the shogun in the post game screen!

Your idea for the ages is good as well, feels like the retainer is getting upgrades of the fief.

What do you think about these rice farm terrains guys?

Awesome!

I have been looking for proper farm graphic to fit the Japanese style but didn't find any, the one in the picture looks pretty cool! Did you made that?

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ohhhhh maaan i think im in lovee!! where those farm comes from? did you make them? i just think they are beautiful.. excelent job! could you upload them to the blacksmith?? can not wait for them..

Thanks guys! I'm happy to hear you like it. Yes, i made that terrain. I can upload it to the blacksmith when i'll finish it, if Achesun won't mind.

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Sure I won't mind! I believe many people will find them useful. Thanks for your help making the rice farm!

RVA would you be able to make some photorealistic default farms as well? Really interested to see your interpretation on those.

RVA would you be able to make some photorealistic default farms as well? Really interested to see your interpretation on those.

could you upload them to the blacksmith?? can not wait for them..

I uploaded to the blacksmith the rice farm and also the default farm which I made earlier.
http://aok.heavengames.com/blacksmith/showfile.php?fileid=12790

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Soldier 1: Sir, we have run out of berry bushes! What will we eat now?

Soldier 2: We shall build a farm!

Soldier 1: What will we grow?

Soldier 2: Cabbage, dear bit, cabbage! On stomachs filled with cabbage will we rule the world and vanquish our enemies!

Villagers: FOR CABBAGE!

Those are some pretty nice terrains!

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