I think you meant Great Hunt, not hunting dogs. (i don't know how to quote).
And you said ravens can be good backup, what do ya mean by that?

ehm, against a rusher i don't think u'll have to use the ravens to scout his FB as he'll advance before u and probabily destroy your temple(chronos deconstruction) and anyway usually rushers build quite near u so it's fairly obvious where their FB is.
anyway the n° 1 player is a Odin player so i guess he can't be that bad

Excuse me, but this has already been the subject of debates long ago.

I'm a long time Odin player, and I agree that Thor is better in general (read it again: in general).

The hunting bonus can be useless on low hunting map. Thor's economic advantage is always present (and there is still pig sticker).

Odin doesn't have an answer to strong cavalry, and doesn't have early powerful pierce attack that helps much VS some rushes (Troll).

Anyway, I like to play Odin and will go on to play him.

Njord is interesting for Odin's FU Jarls, and Krakens (+ arrow ships upgrade).
Otherwise, I don't like Walking wood: they're idiots running after ennemy units, leaving buildings untouched if the opponent is smart enough (although they're best at breaking buildings!). You need to support them, but even so, the ennemy can always try to attract them where they're useless.

As for regeneration of Odin's unit, it is nice, but not so much of help if you give no rest to your military units.
Resting military units are useless military units, so I don't leave them idle much.

And finally, you only spoke about the additional armory upgrades of Thor, but don't forget that Thor also get them for a less expensive price.

I much prefer Odin over thor. But i always won more games with thor simplay because of Fw/rag. But i think Odin > Thor in every other way.

Rox,

I respect your opinion, and I admit that without doubts you have much more experience than I do, but my feeling is that your opinion is far from being shared by everyone.

Now, who knows, it's not because many people think something that it's true either.

Personally, and I'm an Odin player, I feel that Thor is better in general for the reasons I explained.

Odin's healing = useful with idle military (pretty rare for me), and the hunting bonus usefulness depends on the map.

Btw, I so rarely can hunt far from the homebase: the opponents aren't fools, and they look for my hunting parties. When a scout find one, they strike quickly.

And there is still the big problem that Odin has VS cavalry.

But now, I would extremely be grateful if you can help me to improve, because I'm stuck again with Odin, and fell very low. It's the second time I fall so badly, and I don't know what to do anymore... It's the second time it happens.
Hopefully, I have a decent spare account left, as a souvenir lol

I must have introduced bugs again in my playing style

[This message has been edited by U977 (edited 02-07-2005 @ 05:02 PM).]

WTF are you saying bragi has bad ups !! a ulfy with one of his upgrade will kill one of your fu jarls,his mus is also quite good and so is his gp,ibet his gp will make a bigger difference in a battle than njords

Quoted from Joris:

but Thor also has cheaper armory ups that can be researched at anytime as well as a fifth line.

Odin is a bit faster at rushing you (the hunting bonus helps alot), imo.

But now, I would extremely be grateful if you can help me to improve, because I'm stuck again with Odin, and fell very low. It's the second time I fall so badly, and I don't know what to do anymore... It's the second time it happens.
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visit our forum and some other guys will help you out, I'm not that good (with Odin).

but Thor also has cheaper armory ups that can be researched at anytime as well as a fifth line.
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I think i forgot mentioning it.

WTF are you saying bragi has bad ups !! a ulfy with one of his upgrade will kill one of your fu jarls,his mus is also quite good and so is his gp,ibet his gp will make a bigger difference in a battle than njords
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I just hate ulfs, srry cant help it, so for me they are bad
indeed they are not that bad, but I just prefer the ring giver for jarls

Ring Giver is 40 favor, right? -_____-"

I know I can ask here on the forum...

But asking is not enough anymore. I'd prefer to show a replay and ask what's wrong.

agreed. Thor is better, But i prefer Odins god path and starting GP. It enables me to get a fast classical time( arond 4.30 on hunting maps and 5.00 on low hunt maps) and i go with heimdall becuase i tend to rush with lots of RC einhjars and some TA. Because i am rushing and raiding it is easier to keep the enemy bottled up inot his 1/3 of the map and hopefully less. This means i can expand and u se his hunting bonus for longer which means lees farms so more wood for TA. Of course map control is vital here. U want them to be scared of u so they wont raid u. This means 100% pressure. Not always attacking. Raid heis goldies. Then hit his houses. raid foodies and hit military buildings. Try to spread his army and dont face himn head on unless certain victory. When i adv to heroic (if it gets that far) i play njord unless low hunt map (Skadi tech) and then ub with rag and gg unless u play thor who has rag and FW. 2 main tips. 1 is to get him scared so he leabes ur vills alone and 2, go watch some recs of "KG_naturephoenix". He is amazing with Odin

I know Thor has access to all Armory ups, but does Flaming Arrows apply to that as well? (I'm not a Norse player)

i think so,it is available in class but it isnt needed on land maps with norse until they can get ballista because it doesnt affect ta iirc.

gl

p.s GO ODIN GO

the flaming arrows GP applies to every unit on a person's team, even all the wooden ones! however, it has the most influence on seige weapons. It makes the battering rams even more, and I mean MORE devastating vs. buildings.

Throwing axemen also become the cheif MU executioner. Especially with the titans mod for them (5x attack vs. MU)

added.

Just to clarify you mean flaming weapons GP, not flaming arrows..right?

Quoted from i r noob:

Yes. being able to get that in archaic/classical is what makes him so good on the water.

Quote "Ring Giver is 40 favor, right? -_____-"
Ring giver is 30 favors fool.

Depending on length of the game, Thor is better in the long run. Better Armory upgrades and had bragi ulfies.Although Odin owns thor at rushing with regerating units and two raven scouts. In general Thor is better than Odin because of he can build armory in archiaic and all the techs, giving him a superior army in classical/heroic.
Thor also had better dwarves and can advance earlier to classical than odin. In order to win with Odin, you must know Odin really well and use all the advantages to Odin.
Thor is generally easier to play

yeah, playing Thor gives you less potential for mistakes. also, Thor has better econ, so it can afford those upgrades, making his army better and stronger. so there.

Odin has to rely on specific strats, and although he has better scouting, is still more vulnerable to rushing and raiding without using FH or specific counter units. this is mostly because Thor has better econ (read above), and better, cheaper upgrades