Amazing, I have seen this before. I hope ye can make it really good. Invisible walls and all that. I would play this for sure.

This is epic, truely awesome, i bet it would be a monument to how far we have come in this forum. Not that i would know iv only been here for a bit.

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That's amazing. But contradictory. It looks like it's a multiplayer scenario, but I see animations and how would you overcome two players using the same/different hotkeys?

Nevertheless, a true stroke of genius (as always). I have no idea how you got the dwarf to twirl in mid air, but I'm guessing an under map shot with either tornado or the dwarf continually rotating in the editor using the rotation button tools and not pressing stop as this can carry to the scenario.

Or is it just a nice youtube vid ?

Amazing, I have seen this before. I hope ye can make it really good. Invisible walls and all that. I would play this for sure.

There have been countless soccer scenarios and rms over the years, so I don't want to take credit for the idea, but it seems that none of them have caught on as a mainstream multiplayer minigame, so I'm giving it another shot.
My main goal is making a simple, fun, vanilla multiplayer scenario (it will work in AOT as well). Since Xamo, Matei, and TOS, there have been only a handful of vanilla multiplayer scenarios with significant triggering, and none really catch on.

This is epic, truely awesome, i bet it would be a monument to how far we have come in this forum.

Haha, not really. The trailer probably took longer to make than the scenario itself. It's just a bit of fun.

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That's amazing. But contradictory. It looks like it's a multiplayer scenario, but I see animations and how would you overcome two players using the same/different hotkeys?

The trailer may contain choreographed dramatizations that are not true gameplay video maybe.
Multiplayer hotkeys are a little different, but not hard. invent00r, nottud, SoV, AuroraP, lostrozzacavalli have all done them before I believe.
It is not technically difficult, but the controls respond very differently online than in single player. In order to make it manageable, I've made a dynamic control damping system. Rookies still tend to overturn a bit, but it's not too hard to get a feel for it now.

Nevertheless, a true stroke of genius (as always). I have no idea how you got the dwarf to twirl in mid air, but I'm guessing an under map shot with either tornado or the dwarf continually rotating in the editor using the rotation button tools and not pressing stop as this can carry to the scenario.

I had a cyclops throw a dwarf off a very high cliff, and all the rest was camera work, following the dwarf with changing roll and heading (see post 2250 of TRT).
For some reason the cyclops has a better spiral than a mountain giant.

I will update the main post with some more info fairly soon.

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Ha ha, Hail. As always, an engrossing video. I also really enjoyed seeing you throw in your previous artwork. The slo-mo flying dwarves were epic.

Cool, nice to know you're getting cyclops throwing small people off mountains in your spare time.

Multiplayer hotkeys are a little different, but not hard. invent00r, nottud, SoV, AuroraP, lostrozzacavalli have all done them before I believe.

Ah yes of course, SOV cleverly did it with armies.

Certainly a great use of some of your best screenshots too.

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Is it soccer?

Wow awesome video Hail

Hotkeys online tend to respond about half a second later but a game like this should be possible, except, well, when I tried the movement thing with hotkeys it was a bit wierd, I think you'll have to do some tries.

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My phone can't read whTever else is there than the text.
Is it soccer?

Yes, it's a multiplayer, hotkey controlled soccer game.

Can you go on youtube with your phone?
If yes, check this link -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPr5_bkSIms (Hopefully you can see this txt link)
If no, get yourself to a computer so you can check it out

This. Is. Epic.

I also really enjoyed seeing you throw in your previous artwork

Recycling. I needed some filler, and I thought those screens worked well and saved me effort of making new ones.

Hotkeys online tend to respond about half a second later but a game like this should be possible, except, well, when I tried the movement thing with hotkeys it was a bit wierd, I think you'll have to do some tries

Yes, the time delay is the problem. When you are looping the event, there is a time delay on the first one, and the rest fire continuously.

I've been testing it online and tweaking it over the last week or so, and I'm pretty comfortable with it now. A rookie will struggle in his first game, but it does not take long to learn. The last half of the video is recorded from actual testing with real people, so there are at least a few people (besides me) who can competently handle the ball.

Originally I just did it like this:

hotkey -> heading + 15 -> move in direction

And it worked beautifully in single player, but in multiplayer it looked like binocular soccer.

The natural thing to do is to press the key and hold it until you turn far enough, and then let go. Because of the time delay, at first you don't appear to be turning so you keep holding the key down, then suddenly you take a huge spin and overshoot by a mile. Same thing happens when you try to get back on course.

If you controlled by gently tapping instead of holding it was manageable, but barely. The turns were pretty slow, and it is not intuitive.

So I modified the controls to get a compromise between turning radius and response time, and I'm pretty happy with it. I may make a few more small tweaks before official release, but it is mostly working.

I've got keys for moving, turning, stopping, dribbling, and kicking. I'm still working on diving and rolling around in pain to draw fouls.

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looks great =) keep up the great work oboe

epicnes especially when the crowd follows the ball lol

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You should add teams like English, French, Italian and German. And maybe have an intro with the teams coming out through gates and having their national anthems play.

Do the crowds scream when you score?

Have you considered maybe using cyclopses as goalkeepers so that they can pick up the ball?

But the trouble is a cyclops throw kills the unit.

You should add teams like English, French, Italian and German. And maybe have an intro with the teams coming out through gates and having their national anthems play.

I'm avoiding all cinematic intros in the multiplayer version in the interest of maximizing playing time. In a singleplayer version, I may do something like this. It's a nice idea.

The first soccer map I remember playing (Larmir's I think?) had a cinematic intro with team names like "Midgard Menace" and "Anatolia Hotspurs".

Do the crowds scream when you score?

They go nuts when you score, and they even roar in anticipation as the ball creeps near the goal line, even if it does not go in.

Have you considered maybe using cyclopses as goalkeepers so that they can pick up the ball?

I considered it, and also considered Polyphemus, but opted for the convenience of a giants (and dwarves) only league.

I considered a hockey scenario using Polyphemus, but in vanilla I can't reduce his recharge time.

The first release will be multiplayer only. I would like to make a later release for singleplayer, once I can teach the computer how to think.

once I teach the computer how to think.

Very evil genius of you.
By the way could you post the effect you used to make the dwarf go up in the air? I have a certain minigame and that trigger would be really useful.

All those dwarfs are legitimately tossed, either by the mountain giants (in game) or by a hidden cyclops (for the overdramatic slowmotion shots).

Too bad implode sphere is not in vanilla. I could make you a real bouncing ball system using teleport if you were to make a single user version.

I can do it with "catapult shot" instead, but no need. Dwarfs bounce quite well too, without breaking any toes.

I'm adding some triggers so the AI should be capable of playing a giant if there is no human in control.
They won't be the next Maradona or Pélé, but they're already better than Green. The main plan is for this to be multiplayer, but I want it to be functional in single player, and occasionally put the odd comp in multiplayer for some reason.

So this leads me to my next idea.

Would people like to trigger their own giant soccer AIs, and pit them against each other in some sort of competition?

You'd use triggers to decide when/where to move, when/where to kick, and when/where to dribble. No hax like making the dwarf run straight into the net, all based around my current kick/dribble triggers.

Any interest?

Be sure to include the VUVUZELO, and make it so that it is reallly hard to play the game.

Nooo not that bastardly annoying vuvuzela's. Jeez i hate them..