The Caribbean & Iroquois have been done
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Mexico is part of North America, & the Aztecs & Mayans have been done
http://aoe3.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=1,11142,,all
http://aom.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=4,13229,0,all

Read this
http://aom.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=19,27290,,all

Fejj, I believe you misunderstand. When I say Caribbean Civilization, I am indicating people who worship Voodoo. And I know that many of them have been done, but have they actually been created and put up for download? The purpose of this poll is to determine your favoirte. I intend on making all of these full- blown mods instead of just scripts.

Not sure how the Aztecs and the Maya were involved, I consider their region of the world Central America, so I didn't include them.

Mexico is in North America.

Central America consists of the states of Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America

Your Voodoo civ should just be the West African tribe with the richest mythology. Ibo? Yoruba? Ashanti?
Do some properly focussed research.

If you want some decent Caribean mythology, try the 'Arawaks' for southern caribean isles. Or the Mayans, because they also left their influences in trade with these people.

Do you have a vote, Nick?

And Fejj, I didn't want to do the Aztecs or the Maya because everybody has done those before. I was looking for some more uncharted territory in addition to considering Mexico part of Central America. Additionally in the Wikipedia article it says "Mexico is sometimes included". Perhaps you should learn to read the entire article before you try and correct someone.

[This message has been edited by RadishSpirit91 (edited 03-15-2011 @ 05:31 PM).]

You should learn to read the entire paragraph, especially the 2 preceeding sentences, before you try & correct someone.

In English speaking countries, Central America is considered a region of the North American continent.[15] Geopolitically, it usually comprises seven countries – Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama.[16] Mexico, in whole or in part, is sometimes included.[17] Some geographers include the five states of Campeche, Chiapas, Tabasco, Quintana Roo, and Yucatán,[16] together representing 12.1% of the country's total area.

You are correct; however, the states you mentioned are regions of the world that the Aztec and Maya formerly lived in before the state of Mexico existed. No matter how you slice it, the Aztec and the Mayan Civilization lived in Central America, not North America. That is one of the many reasons why I did not include them in this poll.

[This message has been edited by RadishSpirit91 (edited 03-15-2011 @ 07:39 PM).]

*Cough* Wiki can be edited by anyone so a different source os probably better! *cough*

BSU, bad cough. You should be sucking on a fisherman's friend.
http://blog.oneplusinfinity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/51608_500.jpg

North America occupies the northern portion of the landmass generally referred to as the New World, the Western Hemisphere, the Americas, or simply America. North America's only land connection is to South America at the narrow Isthmus of Panama. According to some authorities, North America begins not at the Isthmus of Panama but at the narrows of Tehuantepec, with the intervening region called Central America. Most, however, prefer to see Central America as a subcontinent or region of North America.
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/North_America

And Radish, research Yoruba mythology, incorporating neighbouring Vodun. This game is pre-Christian, let alone pre-Columbian.

[This message has been edited by Fejj (edited 03-16-2011 @ 02:54 PM).]

We still don't have any votes!
Fejj, I assume your interest in the Caribbean civilization places that civilization first on your vote...?

Red Indian Taino/Arawak/Carib, not your voodoo negro.
http://aoe3.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=9,26930,,10

You, not we, don't have any votes coz its a stupid idea.

Advice; Your Voodoo civ should be preColumbian Yoruba, which leaves you Inuit, Navaho or Sioux to research.

[This message has been edited by Fejj (edited 03-16-2011 @ 07:29 PM).]

I wouldnt mind seeing the Cherokee/Iroquis/whatever XD

Iroquois
http://aoe3.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=9,24881,,10

It's not a stupid idea at all... :/
Besides, it's a mod we're talking about here. It doesn't have to have all it's facts perfect to be a good mod...
Think about it... it's mythology anyway, and to about 99% of the population of the world, none of the greek, egyptian, or norse myths are true. Plus, Atlantis never existed, and I don't see you complaining about that. Certainly, people who believed the ancient myths of one culture would not believe or take into account other's myths, so doesn't that make the campaign unrealistic? They would disagree with one another about myths and stories. So why bother to complain about these little facts?

1. Iroquois
2. Caribbean
3. Navajo
4. Sioux
5. Inuit

[This message has been edited by FAILeliminator (edited 03-17-2011 @ 08:17 PM).]

1. Iroquois
2. Inuit
3. Navajo
4. Sioux
5. Caribbean

I voted for Quebec indigenous first

Thank you guys for voting. It means a lot to me.

I've always complained about the Atlantis civ, because it never existed. Minoan, Etruscan or Trojan would have been much better.
Leave the vodu blacks in Africa (Yoruba) & leave the Caribbean for the original Caribs/Arawaks/Tainos & their mythologies.
1492 is way over the 300AD cut off point agreed upon previously in this forum. Otherwise the Greeks & Norse would be Christian & the Egyptians Muslim.

Well

Greeks > Orthodox Christian
Norse > Catholic Christian
Egyptian > Muslim
Atlantean > God knows what :P

BSU_DoLhades, do you have a vote?
Same for you, Fejj.

[This message has been edited by RadishSpirit91 (edited 03-19-2011 @ 01:27 PM).]

Well as you can guess Iroquois are my no.1

but I have not decided on the rest yet, but put iroquois there

Yoruba with vodun elements. Definitely not your Caribbean negro slave bullshit.
You want us to vote from 5 civs when you've only researched 1. Ridiculous.

BSU_DoLhades- I will mark that down.

And Fejj, you're about to get a piece of my mind.
First of all, your language is uncalled for and uneccesary. If you're going to be critical at least be respectful. Second, I intend to have people vote so I know which civilization they want me to research first, not for whatever reason you've cooked up in your head. This vote helps me to determine what people like the most so I may begin on it in due time. Third, I've already begun the scripts for all of the civilizations, spare the Navajo, which I'm hitting a brick wall on currently. It's not like I didn't have at least some of this planned before. Did you think I was just going to hold a poll without mapping out the possible outcomes? That's what's ridiculous.

[This message has been edited by RadishSpirit91 (edited 03-19-2011 @ 09:20 PM).]

posted 01-01-09
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Since Bartholomeus made no voting chart, I'll start the ball rolling. Please contribute & I'll adjust this accordingly.
That's new civs people, added to the existing Greek, Egy, Norse & Atlanteans.
One vote per person per civ. You'll learn about this system when you're old enough to vote in the real world , kiddies.
If you want to persuade others to vote for your favourite civ, post a fully researched illustated civ chart.

No limit on the amount of civs you can vote for, just keep it sane.
Read this link for more ideas
http://aoe3.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=9,21648,,10
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Celts- 18
Trojans (Anatolians)- 7
Persians/Medes- 17
Hindus{Indians}-11
Hittites-1
Sumerians-2
Mesopotamians (collective)- 5
Aztec - 12
Mayan- 6
Canaanites/Phoenicians/Carthaginians -6
Prehistoric-4
Japanese- 18

Romans- 7
Mongols- 2
Lemurians- 2
Zulu- 3
Slavs -2
Nubians- 1
Chinese- 3
Etruscans- 2
Inca- 4
Babylonian- 1
Assyrian- 1
Dwarves- 1
Hebrews-1
Hawaiians- 2
North Amerinds Iroquois- 1
Finns- 1
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[This message has been edited by Fejj (edited 03-20-2011 @ 01:05 AM).]

You don't think I've read this before?
I wanted to create a seperate poll so people didn't have to choose out of all of those. I thought it would be easier to pick from five civilizations. Additionally, my poll is exclusively North American, and not all those other civilizations (including the Lemurians, which you, being as cantankerous as you are, no doubt protested). Finally, I've said it before and I'll say it again- how many of these were actually developed into full- blown mods? These scripts are inactive. I intend to make all of my scripts mods. Also, you seem determined to get rid of my poll. Out of pure curiosity I'd like to know why. You didn't say that the poll you just posted was a "stupid idea", which I remember you saying earlier in this thread.

[This message has been edited by RadishSpirit91 (edited 03-20-2011 @ 07:42 AM).]

personally, i suggest the mississippians



this allows you to have a bit more freedom with the civ because its an extinct culture. in a mythology mod of 0ad that im working on, thats the civ i went with because i couldnt decide on a single tribe

Radish, the Caribbean is at the same latitude as Mexico, which, acording to only you, isn't part of North America.
No scripts were made into full civs, so unless you're a modding genius, far better than the other modders here, it'll take you years to create a new civ.

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Mythos_Ruler
Mortal
Location: Indiana, USA
posted 01-10-09 11:22 PM EDT (US) 94 / 222

A small cadre of highly dedicated individuals with knowledge of all aspects of modding AOM should get together and hammer out a game design. You do not need more suggestions. Suggestions are a dime a dozen. We all know there are 100+ civs that could conceivably be used. The key would be to decide which two (or one) civs to include in the game (in addition to the original 3). If you leave it up to the community you end up with something unwieldy like the Celts. I'm sorry. They are a great Civilization and have a good mythology, but there are others that are much more unique than the original 3 (take the Meso-Americans and Hindus for example).

Get 3 or 4 guys together - dedicated modders who know what's possible and what isn't - and hammer out a workable and realistic game design.

Next, get a schedule together and decide how much effort will need to be put into various areas of the game's development.

With a schedule and game design in hand, start soliciting help from the community. Everyone knows that there's a push for an AOM2 "super mod" and everyone wants it. Once you have the game design and schedule and website up you can show the community that this is a serious endeavor that has a good chance of success.

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents. I'm not even a modder for AOM anymore, so take my advice as you will. I've been working on 0 A.D.

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Mr Pubby8
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(id: pubby8)
Location: Yes, I like Clam
posted 03-16-11 04:00 PM EDT (US) 224 / 254

Are you still working on this?

Yes.

Well duh creating a big game as AoM2 by our own is really difficult, it will might take a whole generation...

It is incredibly difficult and time consuming.

Also, please put some work in online mode, as it is FREE. Also a few questions for online.

It will be playable online. Online gameplay is main focus of game - much more than campaign and computer players.

Will there be CD Keys? If so, will you make it so one user has to use one CD Key at a time?

No, because there won't be CD's.
The game will be 100% free, but if I set up a server to host multiplayer then I might have a system to prevent people from smurfing with 1000 accounts.

Will there be a ranking system?

If a centralized multiplayer server is set up, then of course.

Will there be clan making?

If a centralized multiplayer server is set up, then you will be able to add tags in front of your name. This is to prevent people from creating new accounts when they join clans.

Will there be chat?(obviously lol)

If a centralized multiplayer server is set up, then yes.

Will there be special games the host can make only avaliable on multiplayer? Like for example: Capture the Flag(or Relic) is only avaliable to multiplayer for a few reasons, like the AI doesn't know how to take the relics and stuff but human do.

Scenarios are planned.

How long will the campaign be?

Dunno. I really don't want to be worried about a campaign until the game is finished. If there is a campaign, I might not make it - other people can easily make one.

How many difficulties will there be?

4 I suppose.

In the Installer, will it need the original AOM?( Hope not )

No.http://aom.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=19&tn=28587&f=19,0,0,20&st=225

What's a renderer ?

Stuff related to the 3d graphics.

Pubby have you ever considered using engines like Unreal and Unity? They're like the top engines in the US. I know it's probably a little way too late to inquire.
Unreal is for more for FPS, as the games are very different. I'm sure you could it for RTS, but it has been optimized for FPS and would be the wrong tool.

Unity is a great thing, however I am turned off by it because many "noobs" flock to it.

I also thought about using Ogre in the beginning, but it turned out that it didn't fit my needs, and the OO nature of the library made it overly complex.

A lot of those engines are a hassle, you normall have to learn a new language, as well as a new interface.

Yeah, I probably would have to make a few smaller games before I'd do AoM2, as I wouldn't know the interface. The programming language isn't such a big deal to learn, however it does take months to learn the small details and best-practice quirks.

Not to mention the fact that they are primarily designed for FPS' and RPGs more than anything.

Yes. There is big difference in outdoor fps, indoor fps, and rts. The nice thing about AoM-style rts is that it can be highly optimized and has special cases very different from other genres.

I think half the reason Pubby decided to do this was to just so how much he could do, like a test but with a useful result.

Yeah, and I wanted to learn modern 3d graphics. You really can't learn them unless you do a huge project like this.

1) I'm not sure about UDK but to get a full license for Unity you have to pay a lot (~$1500).

Yep. I think unity is free, unless you try to sell anything.
While I intend for game to be free, I do want option to go commercial, and don't want to shell out thousands of dollars.

2) It's not likely you download them and you can create any game at your wish. They surely simplify code a lot but it's a sweetened code that doesn't give you a full view of game mechanics, at least from my experience. And you still need good textures, models sounds, etc., they don't appear magically.

Yeah, you have less power over things in exchange for shorter development time.

3) UDK requires at least 8GB ram to run smoothly (in fact in my 4GB pc it run laggy). Unity is a bit faster but still heavy.

Yeah, EoM should run on practically anything - as I write it to support many many computers.

So I fully approve Pubby that is doing it all by himself, and I'm running on that road too now.

If you insist on making a USA/Canada civ the Navajo appear to have a richer mythology than the Iroquois or Inuit.

Much of the mythology of the Iroquois (a confederacy of originally Five, later Six Nations of Native Americans) has been lost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_mythology

Inuit mythology has many similarities to the religions of other polar regions. Inuit traditional religious practices could be very briefly summarised as a form of shamanism based on animist principles.The Inuit cosmos is ruled by no one. There are no divine mother and father figures. There are no wind gods and solar creators. There are no eternal punishments in the hereafter, as there are no punishments for children or adults in the here and now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_mythology

Navajo
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Contents

* 1 The First World
* 2 The Second World
* 3 The Third World[5]
o 3.1 Spider Man, Spider Woman and Weaving
o 3.2 The Separation of Men and Women
o 3.3 Big Water Creature and the Great Flood
* 4 The Fourth World[10]
o 4.1 Creation of Sun and Moon
o 4.2 The Coming of Death
o 4.3 Stars and Constellations
o 4.4 The Re-Creation of the Sacred Mountains[18]
o 4.5 The Coming of Monsters
o 4.6 The Monster Slayer Twins
+ 4.6.1 The Birth of Changing Woman
+ 4.6.2 Birth of the Twins
+ 4.6.3 Preparation of the Twins
+ 4.6.4 The Journey to the Sun
+ 4.6.5 Encounter with The Sun
o 4.7 The Destruction of the Monsters
+ 4.7.1 The Slaying of Yéʼiitsoh, the Big Giant
+ 4.7.2 The Slaying of Déélgééd, the Horned Monster
o 4.8 Old Age, Cold, Poverty, and Hunger
o 4.9 Departure of Changing Woman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diné_Bahaneʼ
I vote for Navajo. I expect to see the fully working civ by year's end.

Fejj, I had a plan, and I'll stick to it.
I see where you're coming from, however. It was naive of me to assume the community would come up with something. I have already completed a rough draft script for the Inuit and this afternoon I'm probably going to finish the Sioux. I wanted to get all of these done and decide which one I like the best. I did this for me, so I'm probably going to end up doing the Inuit or Sioux first. And yes, I don't have barely any experience in modding, but it doesn't discourage me from trying. I will take your advice and see who is interested in an Inuit civilization. Additionally, you expect too much of me. I have a world outside Age of Mythology, and although this game is important to me, I doubt I can finish a civilization in a year, and it likely won't be Navajo. I think I'll just finish my scripts and keep them for myself until I can find someone who is willing to begin construction of these mods.