Asking for how to activate the bored-anims: Does the boared-anim not work if such is specified in the anim? Maybe that has something to do with the "NoIdleActions" Tag.

- Which proto flag caps the carry capacity of units that autogather like herd animals?

<carrycapacity resourcetype="Food">300.0000</carrycapacity>
<initialresource resourcetype="Food">50.0000</initialresource>

Some interesting questions there. Also some I don't understand, mainly graphics related ones.


On the workings of ranged weapons/aiming I found some post from a developer: http://aom.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=1&tn=7524&st=1#post2
But I'll ask in the Meta-Plays forum about that again. I think Hagrit knows what the values actually stand for.
Asked here: https://meta-plays.com/index.php?/forums/topic/520-ranged-attack/&game=5

[This message has been edited by Izalith (edited 06-04-2018 @ 00:42 AM).]

Thanks for the reply.

I was at one point trying to get the wandering animals in AoM to play their bored animations. Almost all of the animals in AoM and aoe3 have bored animations but we never see them (they are even defined in the anims). My first thought was that the units were wandering before bored could play. So I removed wander but they still won't play their bored animations. I replaced deer's proto data with hoplite and it played its bored animation. Conclusion: somewhere between the data for hoplite and deer are some tags that allow bored animations to play.


I have tried capping carry capacity with a carry capacity line. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. I have some whale units that wander around the map and can be fished for gold. The idea was to start them off with some small amount then have them autogather to some capacity. They can be fished by multiple boats at once so the idea was to strategically not overfish them. Unfortunately, the whales keep autogathering gold forever and ever even with a carry capacity line. So somewhere between pig and whale there are proto flags that allow carry capacity to work.


I have read that post by the great DeathShrimp himself. Unfortunately, he doesn't give numbers and that's really where the mystery is. His post does reveal that there aren't a finite number of "misses" at the start of each attack cycle, it actually depends on the accuracy param. He tells us what TrackRating does but not how it works. It will require some testing, but I feel like there are threads on this topic somewhere on AoMH.

NotSearchable

I think this means that it can't be found in the editor lists

AdjustPositionOnTerrainCollision (possibly used by projectiles to stick to ground?)

Yup

Building unittype allows units to train other units

Check the pharoah for the ForceBuildingData(or something similar) flag. It allows things other than buildings to train units.

@WarriorMario
NotPlayerPlaceable is the tag that doesn't allow a unit to be in the editor units list.

I think this means that it can't be found in the editor lists

Nope, that's NotPlayerPlaceable. NotSearchable does not have that effect.

Check the pharoah for the ForceBuildingData

Awesome, thanks for the suggestion. It does do this and without the negative consequences of having your unit targeted as a building.

Long time no see people.

I love that this old gem of a game is still being explored, and old mysteries unraveled!

Quite some time ago I made a discovery that I'm trying to recreate:

Iirc, when you have a scenario with a certain water type, then edit that waterbody in waterbodies.xml, if done "correctly", the water becomes invisible, effectively allowing naval and amphibious units to "float" in the air where there would have been a body of water.

Is this old news maybe? Or is it of interest to anyone? Just thought it would be fun to add, though I still haven't successfully repeated the effect yet.

UPDATE: Found out how to do it - in this case I made a new waterbody, copied from "Red Sea", and named it "Test Sea". Painted some of it on a map, saved, then quit the game. Then I removed everything but the name, so it's essentially just (ocean name="Test Sea" iconname="" surface="") and so on. Below you can see a screenshot of what it looks like:



Oh yeah and as you can see this is EE, not sure if the effect will be the same on TT.

[This message has been edited by Xzaander (edited 06-18-2018 @ 11:28 PM).]

@Xzaander - That's a very interesting result but I can't seem to reproduce it. Could you post your code from waterbodies2.0.xml before and after? And is that the only file you edited?

Yup, waterbodies is the only file edited. I discovered that the only thing you actually need to remove is the "surface" definition.

But still, here's before:

<ocean name="Test Sea" iconname="ui\red sea 64" surface="water" bottom="ShorelineRedSeaA" bank="ShorelineRedSeaB" outerbank="ShorelineRedSeaC" color="25 80 170" depth="4.0">
<textureplacement>
<texture distance="10.0">ShorelineRedSeaA</texture>
<texture distance="14.0">coralD</texture>
<texture distance="18.0">coralE</texture>
<texture distance="24.0">coralF</texture>
<texture distance="26.0">black</texture>
</textureplacement>
<objectcluster>
<protounit>Wave</protounit>
</objectcluster>
</ocean>

And here's after:

<ocean name="Test Sea" iconname="ui\red sea 64" surface="" bottom="ShorelineRedSeaA" bank="ShorelineRedSeaB" outerbank="ShorelineRedSeaC" color="25 80 170" depth="4.0">
<textureplacement>
<texture distance="10.0">ShorelineRedSeaA</texture>
<texture distance="14.0">coralD</texture>
<texture distance="18.0">coralE</texture>
<texture distance="24.0">coralF</texture>
<texture distance="26.0">black</texture>
</textureplacement>
<objectcluster>
<protounit>Wave</protounit>
</objectcluster>
</ocean>

I think the order in which things are done is of importance here.
1.) Open "waterbodies2.0.xml"
2.) Make a new waterbody, I suggest copying an existing one and making it the last waterbody.
3.) Rename it to whatever you like. Save waterbodies2.0.xml.
4.) Open the game, go into the editor and find your new waterbody. Use the "Paint Water" tool to paint some.
5.) Save the scenario, name it whatever you want. Exit the game.
6.) Open the edited waterbodies2.0.xml again, and remove "water" from the "surface="water" definition. Save.
7.) Open the game again, go into the editor, load your scenario. The water should now be invisible.

If it still doesn't work, I don't have any clue as to why.

I found out that the Condition "Player Unit Count" is not working on some of the units. Lampades Blood, Scarab Blood and the Hero Death are not triggering it, no matter the player number.

trPlayerUnitCountSpecific(%PlayerID%, "%ProtoUnit%") > 0

They got this part in common:

<dbid>2757</dbid>
<displaynameid>23514</displaynameid>
<los>0.0000</los>
<obstructionradiusx>4.0000</obstructionradiusx>
<obstructionradiusz>4.0000</obstructionradiusz>
<maxvelocity>0.0000</maxvelocity>
<lifespan>2.0000</lifespan>
<bountyfactor resourcetype="Favor">1.0000</bountyfactor>
<decay delay="0.0000" duration="1.0000"></decay>

<flag>NotSearchable</flag>
<flag>NotSelectable</flag>
<flag>NonCollideable</flag>
<flag>NoBloodOnDeath</flag>

I believe "NotSearchable" to be the culprit.

Izalith is correct, units with the NotSearchable tag cannot be picked up by trigger commands (such as units in area, distance to unit, player unit count, etc.).

I can't remember it for shure but I think units with 0 obstruction radius can also walk through cliffs even if they are only defined as land units.


Objects appear invisible inside the mapeditor if one places them after a rescale into new added areas. But after a playtest they show up correctly.

Why are fly animations not controlled by anim files?
They take over most of the stuff that is defined but e.g. switch back to different textures every time when they get send flying.

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Btw: Will it possibly be possible to edit prototags like UseAlternativLightning in future?

What do icons "icon class ..." in the game?

[This message has been edited by Yiome (edited 07-04-2018 @ 04:03 PM).]

During the development of Age of Mythology, Ensemble Studios went through several UI (User Interfaces) aswell as many features within them.

Originally the User Interface of the Late 2001-Late 2002 builds (August to January, possibly even March?) aswell as the earlier UI originally had a system/feature where the unittype (or Class), of a unit would be represented as icons on the left side of the stat panel (icon, name, etc) it would also show what it was mostly good against (slingers, hippikons, etc would show the anti archer icon. Deer, caribous, etc would show the harmless animal, so on)

The file "icons.xml" reveals this:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<icondataset>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Civilian">This is a villager.  Villagers can build and gather resources.  </icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Infantry">This is an Infantry Unit. </icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Cavalry">This is a Cavalry Unit</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Archery">This is an Archer.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Building">This is a building.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Dangerous Animal">This is a dangerous animal.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Harmless Animal">This is a harmless animal.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Monster">This is a Myth Unit.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Anti Infantry">This unit is effective at killing Infantry Units.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Anti Archery">This unit is effective at killing Archery Units.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Anti Building">This unit is effective at knocking down buildings.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Anti Cavalry">This unit is effective at killing Cavalry Units.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\Icon Class Anti Monster">This unit is effective at killing Myth Units.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol zeus icon" techname="Age 1 Zeus" position="1">Focus on infantry and heroes. Zeus grants stronger infantry</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol hades icon" techname="Age 1 Hades" position="1">Focus on archers and buildings. Hades grants a trickle of Gold.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol poseidon icon" techname="Age 1 Poseidon" position="1">Focus on cavalry. Poseidon grants cheaper cavalry and better trade.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol hermes icon" techname="Age 2 Hermes" position="2">Hermes has granted increased line of sight for your buildings.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol ares icon" techname="Age 2 Ares" position="2">Ares has granted decreased cost for your military buildings.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol athena icon" techname="Age 2 Athena" position="2">Athena has granted a bonus to your Heroes against enemy Myth Units.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol aphrodite icon" techname="Age 3 Aphrodite" position="3">Aphrodite has granted increased speed to your Villagers.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol dionysos icon" techname="Age 3 Dionysos" position="3">Dionysos has granted strength to your Cavalry.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol apollo icon" techname="Age 3 Apollo" position="3">Apollo has granted increased attack to your Archers.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol artemis icon" techname="Age 4 Artemis" position="4">Artemis has granted decreased cost for your Archers.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol hera icon" techname="Age 4 Hera" position="4">Hera has granted speed and attack for your archers.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol hephaestus icon" techname="Age 4 Hephaestus" position="4">Hephaestus has granted better armor for your soldiers.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol isis icon" techname="Age 1 Isis" position="1">Focus on infantry. Isis grants cheap improvements and a full tech tree.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol ra icon" techname="Age 1 Ra" position="1">Focus on chariots. Ra grants stronger chariots and Pharaohs.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol set icon" techname="Age 1 Set" position="1">Focus on archers. Set grants the ability to convert wild animals with Priests and Pharaohs. </icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol anubis icon" techname="Age 2 Anubis" position="2">Anubis has granted increased speed to your Anubites. </icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol bast icon" techname="Age 2 Bast" position="2">Bast has granted you an increased population cap. </icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol ptah icon" techname="Age 2 Ptah" position="2">Ptah has granted increased attack to your counter units. </icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol hathor icon" techname="Age 3 Hathor" position="3">Hathor has granted free goats for you to eat.  Nummy Goats.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol nephthys icon" techname="Age 3 Nephthys" position="3">Nephthys has granted faster gold income. </icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol sekhmet icon" techname="Age 3 Sekhmet" position="3">Sekhmet has granted cheaper archer improvements.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol horus icon" techname="Age 4 Horus" position="4">Horus has granted cheaper Spearmen and Axemen.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol osiris icon" techname="Age 4 Osiris" position="4">Osiris has granted you new Gold Mines.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol thoth icon" techname="Age 4 Thoth" position="4">Thoth has granted increased Favor generation.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol loki icon" techname="Age 1 Loki" position="1">Focus on Myth Units. Loki grants cheaper Myth Units.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol odin icon" techname="Age 1 Odin" position="1">Focus on the Hill Fort. Odin grants Ravens to gather knowledge of your surroundings.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol thor icon" techname="Age 1 Thor" position="1">Focus on the Longhouse. Thor grants faster-training infantry.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol forseti icon" techname="Age 2 Forseti" position="2">Forseti has granted increased speed to your lumberjacks.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol heimdall icon" techname="Age 2 Heimdall" position="2">Heimdall has granted increased line of sight for your units.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol freyja icon" techname="Age 2 Freyja" position="2">Freyja has granted stronger Hersir.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol bragi icon" techname="Age 3 Bragi" position="3">Bragi has granted free Villagers to help you build your empire!  Use them wisely, Mortal.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol njord icon" techname="Age 3 Njord" position="3">Njord has granted better Dwarves.  They now gather and train faster.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol frigg icon" techname="Age 3 Frigg" position="3">Frigg has granted cheaper farms.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol hel icon" techname="Age 4 Hel" position="4">Hel has granted lower population for your Myth Units.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol baldr icon" techname="Age 4 Baldr" position="4">Baldr has granted stronger Town Centers.</icondata>
<icondata icon="icons\god symbol tyr icon" techname="Age 4 Tyr" position="4">Tyr has granted stronger Ulfsarks.</icondata>
</icondataset>

I guess you COULD theoretically bring it back (btw, alot of those missing/non-existent icons are probably hiding in the MP Alpha textures.bar, but I'm not sure)

@XLightningStormL. It would be great to add that feature again.

In some AoM Editor Twitch Stream (thatwriteryouknow) I learned that:

- Rocks align to the surface, but Cinematic Rocks do not.
- The falling direction of the tree probably depends on the rotation of the tree placement. (Though that would mean implosion is rotating trees)


Some other mystery uncovered:
Placing in the editor units like "Excavation" and "Trojan Horse" show up as the foundation:

<flag>PlaceAsFoundation</flag>

By normal placement there is no variation allowed to place those units as an excavated sword / fully build horse. However using Copy&Paste on the units allows you to place the fully constructed variant ignoring that flag (more or less, I think they still start at 1 HP).

According to the orientation data of units it looks like they're usually placed rotated 180 degrees on the y axis. I can remember someone (I think Lewonas?) stating something about this a long time ago but not sure if I remember it correctly.

Why does the servant have the ExperienceUnit-flag? The only other units are Skylla and Hydra. So is the Servant secretly getting stronger? o_o

@Izalith
He does! You can simply try this by letting him kill a couple of fishing ships and then fight against another servant.

// Boost for Hydra (or in fact every unit with the ExperienceUnit-flag)

experienceMaxDamageBonus 2.0
experienceKillCap 12.0

Funny thing is, I assume there is likely some sort of greater flexibility in the Unit Experience, especially considering that originally the Norse (at least around the Late Alpha/May-August 2001 period) originally had a feature where they're infantry units would automatically be upgraded into heroes upon gaining a certain amount of "experience".

[This message has been edited by XLightningStormL (edited 07-20-2018 @ 09:48 AM).]

Wouldnt it be a nice feature for any unit that they grew stronger the longer they survive in battle? (Of course not as strong as the hydras buff.)
This could definitely increase the importance of a good unit micro...