Norse even "more useless than before"? Why were they 70+% of advanced setup players if they sucked so much? Yes, portable rams were overpowered... took forever to kill even with cav (ballista towers harder to kill, but more expensive resource and pop wise, bulkier, and slower.) Add to that spammed hillforts and Norse ruled against Greek particularly. This should balance things a LITTLE.

I think some people just don't like giving up unfair advantages.

how come i don't see the +1 hack damage by Hersirs? just noticed that they now have 9 instead of 8..

+10% HP and Speed to Jarls and RC for 300F and 20Fv (According to TT changes) is just too much.
spirited charge adds 10% attack and 10% speed at 250 food 35 favor....
so its about even....
"Its Age of Egypts still."
at what point was it age of egypt???
just check the rates at holbert for ra and isis!
" Their pierce armor should be higher with those shields they carry."
lol!!!!
it is...
units only carry shields once you upgrade to copper shields, even huskarls
just check if you dont believe me
"3 seconds is really big."
build another longhouse... (which shouldn't be a big hit after early classical...)
and hips take 20 seconds to train, so dont be whining
"ta are being nerfed so that they don't beat the newly nerfed RC?"
at what point are ta nerfed in 1.07???
"Norse, now need 500 wood and gold to make a considerable heroic army?"
wait....
what's wrong w/ longhouse units???
many eggie players do fine w/o midgol units, and most experts use them very sparingly
"Freya is now useless when compared to Hermes. Hermes has a powerful myth unit (nothing raids like a centaur can), "
actually, valks raid very well w/ their 7.something speed and 18 attack....
"I REALLY DOUBTH I WILL BUY YOUR CRAPPY X-PACK WHERE MY FAV GOD(AND CULTURE) ARE SO USELESS TO PLAY WITH THAT NOBODY WILL CHOOSE THEM"
yeah...
just because es nerfed a civ means they're total idiots huh....
you are so stupid...
how old are you man? five?
"Why were they 70+% of advanced setup players if they sucked so much? "
but there's nw games, which probably added 5% to the norse total, then again, there's also the "OMG!!! NO NORSE HERE!!!" games....

I was referring to the TT changes as well, in which case TA do get another undeserved nerf.
Most of the changes I like, even the Thundering hooves one, despite being a RC spammer myself...
I'm not sure about the ram nerfs though, they weren't really as overpowered as the siege towers.
And finally, with the range nerf, will hillforts have less range than towers? Just a question, if they do it really doesn't make any sense.

And about telling me to stop whining about the extra time on RC build times... Read the whole line and maybe you won't make an ass out of yourself. I was asking if the 3 extra seconds was for both classical and heroic, unlike the extra hippikon time.

I think the ability to take TC's in classic changes this whole pecking order people are imagining. IMO this benefits norse immensely, as they are the map controlling easy building civs. Will the FH be so viable now? Doesnt the possibly decreased desirability of FH really hurt a FH *dependent* civ like Isis/Ra?

Are the impending nerfs to TA and RC legit? Seems strange they wouldnt just be done in this patch. the other changes seem ok. Hillforts were a little cheap before, and rams were pretty strong. I dont see how these alterations ruin odin to hades status.

If the xpac does indeed nerf rc/ta, it is probably a reflection of the ease by which norse will grab tc's and map control in classic. remains to be seen if it wise or not i suppose.

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Shut up, good God. Stop flaming ES. They nerfed it, and you got your God nerfed, Jesus man, your a complete idiot. Learn to play a game. I'm glad no more age of Norse. Age of Egypt, I seriously doubt it. I'm tired of whiners like you. Your foolish people who just care too much about their damn rating to care about anything else. Man, and attacking ES for the rating decay? Do you poeple actually care so much about some numbers on a screen that you would flame a company for trying to improve a game and make it better? I'm trying to see that God does make mistakes in personalities...

The thing I find ridiculous is the fact that people can complain before even trying the changes out. I agree, on the surface some things may seem wrong or harsh, but its very had to tell how these changes will play out in the actual game. So how about every one just give it a try for a while and have some faith in ES for once. Damn people seem to forget that ES are the makers of all "Age of" games and without them none of us would've ever had the pleasure of playing such fine games.

BTW, I'm a norse player and while I don't like to see my civ get nerfed, I won't make any assumptions until I have played with the new changes many, many times.

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they always had 9 attack. Their base attack is 8, but since heroes get +10% HP and attack every time you advance an age, then the hersir attack rounds to 9 in classical.

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I've been wondering about this for a long time too. I noticed this half a year ago and posted it in the Technical Help and Bugs Reporting forum but it just got ignored.

QUOTE: darn. Ra's priests now empower to a rate of 5%. That is a big dropdown... from 10% to 5%. Darn...

Its says "Boost" so then 10% to 15%

QUOTE: Destroyed foundations no longer give a full refund to the builder. The refund is now scaled proportionally to the completion of the building, so a building that is 10%
complete will only give back a 90% refund.

wtf?

This means that if you start building a migdol by example and it cost 400 gold + 10 favor and have half the size completed and you decide to cancel it, then it wont give you the complete founds, it will give you the half ( the rest of the building ) that will be 200 gold and 5 favor.

About the patch, you guys know... i think its impossible to get a "patch that you want", because almost everybody has its favorite god and plays him, so everybody will have a different point of view when a patch comes out, what im trying to say is stop complaining that much and get fun when playing, dont get as excuse if you lose against an overpowered god, complain about your mistakes and learn about them, Just because your god got "nerfed" doesnt mean that you cant win, just play ang gg's.

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I like the changes.... but I noticed people are talking about being able to build TC's in Classical? Where does it say this, I don't see it.... Or is this a change coming in the X-pack?

In reply to Karikarki...

Overall, I agree with you Now, for the bit of critics on me...

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That's why I said "heroic army" Longhouses units are fine, but this'll make switching to jarls or huskarls quite a bit harder. I do understand it works against the hillfort spamming though.

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Yes, but they're quite expensive at 200 food. I didn't say Freya was useless, I said Freya is useless when compared to Hermes, which is somewhat exaggarated, but still my honest opinion - Favor is easier to get for greek (earler in the game, that is - Later in the game, favor rolls in quite easily for Norse, 300 food isn't as much anymore, and the prices should be fine), especially for Zeus, and that 50 food should help.
I'm just worried about the early raiding, which was what RC were made for (raiding cavalry). I understand that RC spamming is something that should be 'adjusted', but it looks like they hit raiding in the meanwhile. Well, I'll just look at it and give my opinion after playing a few games with Norse again.

Did I look like just another whiner in my last post? Please tell me I didn't, I hate the whining :P

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since when did norse own greek? Try Loki rushing Hades, Zeus or poseidon, then you will see what I mean. You seriously thought norse were that dominant?

Why is random team never random on team game??
WHY WHY WHY??
is it really that hard to fix it

I honestly don't think that Odin has been as hard done by as everyone seems to think. Maybe you just have to learn how to really play again as opposed to mindlessly spamming cavalry. Lets have a look at what Odin still has:

* Awesome Hunters
* Ravens
* Regenerating units (big resource saver, in case you've forgotten)
* Undeniable versatility. Odin has either bonuses or access to myth techs which affect the following units:

Ulfsarks (2 techs)
TAs (1 Tech)
RCs (2 techs)
Jarls (1 bonus, 2 techs)
Huskarls (1 bonus, 1 tech)
Portable Rams (1 bonus, 1 tech)
Ballistae (1 bonus)

Now as far as i can tell, only 2 of the units on that list got nerfed - RCs and Rams. The thundering hooves tech specifically mentioned RCs which would suggest to me that it's effect on Jarls hasn't been downgraded (can't test that at the moment). Odin's Huskies are still extrememely deadly, as are his Jarls. In my mind Odin hasn't been nerfed, but ES has used this patch to remind everyone that he is more than a '1 horse' wonder.

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>Fixed a bug in multiplayer where random teams were not really random.

glock_glock whats up my man, where have you been? do you have a new ESO name? what is it? mine is the_banjo_player...message me, its been forever! (time for double loki rush, lol)