In my Mind set is the #2 eggy but hes still the most fun eggy. Isis is to boring and Ra i find myself doing the same thing.

Set is much better than RA unfortunately:

1) Scouting.. can't stress how big this is
2) God Path
3) Water maps (2 offensive powers)

All right, I fired up some set in AOM (original) this weekend, and I really do like playing him. I started out at 1600 on a dead account, and got to ~1690 without losing (five games I believe). I then lost one game against a 1740 (don't remember what god...Isis I think), and won two more. That put me at 1715, and after that I couldn't get a game. That was all on Saturday. I was trying to get a game all day Sunday (at least five attempts).

Bottom line, Set is fun, he does take extra microing, but it is not impossible to be good with him (like so many nubs love to claim). After playing him on AOM, I go Loki in AOT, and boost my score by 50 point.

[This message has been edited by NoAffinity (edited 05-10-2004 @ 02:14 PM).]

In the past i have tried other eggy civs like RA and ISIS.Because i have yet to see a expert using Set. This forum here provided me with the intentions of bringing the Set into the major gods used by experts section. thnx for the story and the inspiration. It really sucks how they nerfed him and Ra though. it hurts....really hurts..thnx.

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There are a few ppl who used to be at the top of the ladder until very recently, who played as set fairly often.

Lately, though, theres been a tide of new meat, including one Zeus player (!) who got to the number 1 slot for a bit.

Nice post!

Hey, I've got a neat little trick for Set. Instead of waiting for your villagers to have to kill your Set animals, just delete them. It saves a fair amount of seconds when eating your hippos, elephants, and rhinoes!

Just be careful what you're selecting before you press delete, however .

I haven't played vanilla since TT came out, so below I'm talking about TT.

Set can be still very good in TT, even with animals nerfed so badly (overnerfed, imo), but he's not easy to master. I've been playing Set for the last few months exactly for that reason - most of the time now, as we entered age of Isis, you gotta really out play your opponent to win with Set. And it's fun.

Just few strong points of Set:

- BEST scouting out of all civs (vision/animals/priest):
Cast vision in the middle close to opponent (corner-side on medi), send hyena scouting, priest converting SMALL animals - monkeys, wolves, birds (crowned something), lions - fast to convert, great LOS. By 3 minutes you should have virtually no dark spots on the map.

- BEST rax's units out of all Eggies (Ptah-Sekhmet-Horus) + Set’s slings’ bonus:
Not much to say here. Rax units are great, most of the games you don't need anything else (except for siege). However, you'll need camels to fight eles, so watch out for Isis/Ra FH, since spears are not cost/pop effective against eles, unless they are Horus-upgraded. You might want to throw in few eles yourself.

– 25% Cheaper Midgols( Set’s bonus):
Enough said.

- Access to Shaduf (Ptah):
Helps with economy A LOT.

– Access to Shifting Sands (Ptah):
One of the BEST classical GP (it was beefed up TT) – take forward TC/establish forward base by 6:30 or earlier – best option; stop rush, sending those hersirs/MU to other side of the map; attack from behind with siege.

– Access to Citadel (Sekhmet):
Cast on your BACK TC to get extra 10 (I believe) pop – very handy;

– Access to Scarab (Sekhmet):
Great siege MU. Two scarabs can destroy average base, provided you take out heroes.

– Access to Tornado (Horus):
Descent GP. Can take ¾ of opponent’s army; take out defensive lines; also, it’s great to cast it on group of houses, if opponent is silly enough to build them in group – instantly drop in pop (make sure you are killing his army at this point ).
Another thing. I’ve never had OOS errors with Tornado. Not a single time in many many games. However, I’ve heard people do. So use it wisely – if you are winning and you know you can get OOS, don’t use it. If you are losing… .

Few last things.
Never stop scouting. In early Archaic – with animals, in late Archaic and up – build and re-build obelisks. Opponents goldmines, all TC, “safe zone” (raiding-prevention zone) around your base and opponents base should be visible to you all the time.
Re-task your villies: goldies went to build TC, there is no gold nearby – send them on wood, woodies back at home on gold, etc. Use fishing ships to build obelisks and docks when it’s reasonable.
Get economy upgrades as soon as possible with Set. Literally, not researching handaxe on archaic-classic transition or forgetting about Shaduf will cost you a game with 80% probability.
Never stop producing villies, better from 2 TC once in classical. You need them to make up for Set’s weak economy. Generally, once you build a TC, queue villies on closest resource and re-task other villies accordingly.
Be aggressive, get map control early, better – opponent’s forward TC in classical with Shifting Sands. There are few advantages to this, from my point of view, apart from obvious surprise, since your opponent won’t be expecting an eggy to be so aggressive. First, you are shifting battlefield from your home base. Second, you spread your economy, so if he raids you home base it does not harm you much. Third, you can actually raid him effectively, since your spears are produced in close proximity to his base. Forht, you’ll need pop space for villies and army. Think of it this way – extra TC is not only additional pop to you, but also fewer units for your opponent. Don’t forget about Citadel as well. Cast it as soon as in Heroic on your back TC. Fifth, literally, it is IMPOSSIBLE to take eggy’s TC in classical – 1-2 towers nearby, garrison units into TC, pharaoh empowering TC, villies repairing – no way he can take it down. Sixth, do not stay in Classical TOO long – get to heroic, get siege, few eles – gg, usually.
Beware that clever opponent will go to Heroic ASAP, to get siege and take down your TC. Anticipating this, get to Heroic yourself and use Midgols etc.

I’ve done quite a few times. Even if opponent KNOWS for sure you are going to take his forward TC in classical, even he builds around it, even he goes classical first and gets few units plus free MU etc, 8-10 goldies with pharaoh build extremely fast while free wadjet and animals defend it. The only thing if he has 10 hunters nearby .

Long time set player, as the name can say. People are starting to relize this. Egyptians aren't bad, Set isn't bad. If you whopp peoples butts on ESO as set alot, my advice is to move up to higher ranking opponets with same strategies, see, the good thing about set in real life, is that, if you win a lot, you become popular, because most people are too stupid to see the light of the Egyptians...

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Dude, stop spamming your biased opinion. NOBODY in their right mind would think eggies are weak. You are probably playing 1400 newbies who made 1 barracks, got owned and think that eggies suck. Eggies are so OP, hell, just the fact that your god is eggy already makes him good. I remember in Vanilla... when everyone went on a Set craze :P since a bunch of top players got up there with Set, people went mad and half of ESO was playing Set. Most were unsuccessful(including me...) because Set is hardest to play, but if you play him right you can own. I think the animals were seriously overnerfed in TT. Set... most people ARE NOT too stupid to see how ancestors+eclipse, easy to spam military, and uber god powers are good. It is just your illusion.

Actually, the main thing people actually notice about Set is teh god powers. Besides, people just dropped him, and we are attempting to bring him up more in power. (People spam the norse...O.o

Set does not get Eclipse. Ancestors without Eclipse suck. So, please... Top players in Vanilla were playing Set because of free army in archaic.

I wouldn't know, never played 'vanilla'

egyptians are the best civ its just new players think they suck cause they dont know how to use them to their fullest. Someone could use isis, not do a fh, and fight oranos in classical then say egypt sucks cause they got slaughtered by cherios or something.

ANUBITES RAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I am willing to concede there may have been more, but to the best of my knowledge I've only played against 3 Set's in the well over 300+ rated games I've played in AoM/TT combined.

In other words, I played against more Loki's yesterday alone than Set's since I bought the game back in July of last year.

Set has never been popular in the sub-1750 level where Loki/Isis/Thor have always dominated. EVen during "Age of Set" in Vanilla (1.06) there was never many Set players in that ratings bracket.

True, I find that I'm one of the only Set players ever online. Everyone would rather use Isis or Ra! I play AoM for fun, so Set HAS to be the choice