Very good, GTT

Caesar Alan ET-Lympics Champion Forum Wordmaster Forum Pizza Chef

Nice write up Caesar Allen.

Its okay CA (caesar alan is okay if I call your ca?), I have very often copied facts straight from the grumpus site to give advice!

Nice CA. Keep these coming! BTW paultheo, CA is on staff at TGR too.

Great! BTW, I sent you the taracco walkthrough!

caesar alan,

an excellent essay!
if you are in for writing essays, why not something on the culture rating.
I am sure there are some fine details to discuss there. Is there any mathematical translation known on how the number of temples fit into the culture score? Or how the 'average', 'above average', 'good' and 'perfect' coverage of theaters translate into the culture score?

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It is the number of foods held in graneries which count, not the number of foods eaten.

Good thing to know theo!

excellent info and presentation, Caesar Alan

We are all sharing information, and Caesar Alan rightfully gives Grumpus the Elder credit for the game data he used. As Grumpus gave credit to a long ago C3 forumer SIM who originally compiled the data

Angel Gustavia

Good work CA!

Is sim still visiting the forums today?

I've not seen SIM.

Caesar Alan,

One minor quibble: the (correct) formula you used for the prosperity cap is a simple average, not a weighted average. This is important because many replies on this (and other) forums have given an incorrect formula that uses an average weighted by the number of residents.

Regarding the +1 for multiple food types: I've seen the suggestion that this occurs with houses that NEED multiple foods (in other words, at least one palace, villa, or grand insulae exists). I don't have enough observations on this for an opinion, as I have rarely been concerned with the rate of change of Prosperity (as long as it's positive!).

Hey everybody...lets not let this thread go in the archived messages forum!
I'll try to remember to bump it up occasionnaly.

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Brugle, if I understand correctly, you are saying that 1 tent and 1 palace would have a prosperity of about 700, even though there are only 5 people in a tent versus 200 in a palace. That stinks

Brugle A perfectly valid quibble - as always. Edit time.

paultheo Indeed they would. AND it is not necessary to have the houses fully occupied. The prosperity cap of a luxury palace with 1 inhabitant, and a tent with five inhabitants is still 877.5

Caesar Alan ET-Lympics Champion Forum Wordmaster Forum Pizza Chef

Nice work, Alan
Just goes to sho0w a refresher can be as useful as the original. I know a certain lady that's going to love this...

BTW. Anybody bother to calculate what the lowest population is you can get a 100 prosperity with?

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Homage to thee, Osiris, Lord of Eternity, King of the Gods, whose names are manifold, whose forms are holy, thou being of hidden form in the temples, whose Ka is holy."
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Jayhawk, do you mean theoritically or in practice. In theory it would probably be somewhere around 400 people so the services for the palaces would work.

Citizen Paul,
There are some quite old threads on details of Culture, that you might be able to find. For 100 Culture, you need perfect ratings for theaters and education buildings plus enough religious buildings to the keep the gods happy without festivals: any combination of 1 oracle for 500 people, 5 small temples to each god for 750 people, and 5 large temples to each god for 1500 people. Lesser numbers of any of these buildings give some contribution to Culture, but I'm not sure of the details. I think religion counts a lot (maybe 30%) and academies a little (maybe 10%).

paultheo,
Even using a simple average, 100 Prosperity is possible in a city with just large tents and luxury palaces in an 18:1 ratio. If the prosperity cap was a population-weighted average, it would be ridiculous: 100 Prosperity with 1 luxury palace and 3666 people living in large tents.

Jayhawk,
That's not a well-defined problem. Using the kind of micromanagement techniques Nerdicus has been discussing at Pharaoh Heaven, the number could be quite small. Assuming that you want a stable village, the fewest people would be needed with all foods and goods imported, and 1 building for most of the services (except hippodrome, academy, hospital, and maybe amphitheater or theater). I'd guess that paultheo is close, although no palaces are needed, since 1 (or maybe 2) small villas would be enough patricians with plebians in grand insulaes.

I participated in Dragon's speed contest for Lugdunum, so I got a special education in prosperity increase. My conclusion is the same as to what Brugle arrived at, I did not get the extra point for two food types until I developed a housing type that needed two food types.

A stable village is what I was looking for...something you could run for a couple of years without touching it.

I was assuming had to make everything yourself, the more you can import the less people you'll need...but so it was more anidea of the smallest population that could selfsustain a 100 prosperity.

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Homage to thee, Osiris, Lord of Eternity, King of the Gods, whose names are manifold, whose forms are holy, thou being of hidden form in the temples, whose Ka is holy."
-- Book of the Dead (1240 BC)

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Just a thought, not that it really matters, but does a set of 4 1x1 medium insulaes count as 4 and does a 2x2 medium insulae count as 1? I tried to calculate my prosperity cap but I got stuck from this.