Gladiators, lions, chariots in battle or defence

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paultheo
Banned

posted 05-05-00 15:56 ET (US)

Reading the thread "the emperor's wrath" I came upon a few questions:

1.) Does anyone know the ratios of lions to natives.
2.) Lions to enemies
3.) Lions to roman soldiers (Caesar comes to kill you)
4.) Prefects to natives
5.) Prefects to enemies
6.) Can chariots fight? if so what are the ratios
7.) What is stronger: a gladiotor, lion or chariot?

This could be very useful in planning out city defences.

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Vorfus Clingonius
Pleb

posted 05-05-00 16:26 ET (US) 1 / 48

All of the units come from what building?
They come from lion house and gladioator school or from the colloseum and ampiteather?

Too tired to paste my sig now.. falling asleep here..

Vorfus

Marcus Lindicus
Pleb

posted 05-05-00 16:26 ET (US) 2 / 48

This will require some serious work!

herub

arcusLindicus

paultheo
Banned

posted 05-05-00 19:10 ET (US) 3 / 48

Marcus, are you becoming lazy!

I believe they come from a lionhouse and gladiotor school. I wonder if they would work if you had no amphitheater or colleseum requesting gladiotors or lions?

Marcus Lindicus
Pleb

posted 05-05-00 23:00 ET (US) 4 / 48

Lazy!?!?!

To do a test that would tell me how many prefects it takes to kill a native I would have to stage at least 20 tests. That in addition to building up the infrastructure to do the test. And you want me to do five seperate experiments. That is at least 100 staged invasions run at 10% to keep count just to find a ratio that I will never use!

Sorry Thanh I know you love using lions, but I will stick to infantry and javelins.

I will answer 6) with a no, and 7) Lions are twice as strong as gladiators.

I will tell you heresay on 2). I have heard that an average strength enemy is good for a 2:1 ratio against the lions, and 1:1 against gladiators.

If you want these kind of experiments run you should ask Brutus.

Cyber Paladin
Pleb

posted 05-05-00 23:45 ET (US) 5 / 48

I've heard that enemies to prefect ratio is 1:3, i.e. 3 prefects required to get one enemy down~... if my memory serves me, 128Mb isn't that big is it??

My signature...absolutely not a big deal!

Marcus Lindicus
Pleb

posted 05-05-00 23:51 ET (US) 6 / 48

128Mb is tiny if it's your hard drive, but huge if it is an attachment. What is it regarding?

Brutus Forci
Pleb

posted 05-06-00 02:43 ET (US) 7 / 48

Marcus
Grrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!
- Brutus F.*rubs leg* purrr purrr purrr

Cyber Paladin
Pleb

posted 05-06-00 07:08 ET (US) 8 / 48

That's the hard drive in my brain......

...
128Mb... not MB... even more sad...

My signature...absolutely not a big deal!

paultheo
Banned

posted 05-06-00 07:48 ET (US) 9 / 48

Marcus, if a lion is twice as strong as a gladiotor why are the ratios 2:1 versus lions and only 1:1 versus gladiotors.

Marcus, I will do the tests myself!

BTW, how do you know if a lion is twice as strong as a gladiotor?

Julianus Apostatus
Pleb

posted 05-06-00 13:45 ET (US) 10 / 48

Heed the lesson of Rome: place not thy faith in civilians and slaves, but in the invincible Roman legions.

I tend to a relatively static defense--with legions backed up by javelins backed up by ballistae nobody is getting through. The barbarians hear rumors of the splendor of my cities, but they have no personal experience of them .

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Julianus Apostatus

Quis custodiet ipsos custodies?

paultheo
Banned

posted 05-06-00 14:10 ET (US) 11 / 48

I use the same strategy but I was just wondering about how well civilians fare in battle.

paultheo
Banned

posted 05-06-00 17:19 ET (US) 12 / 48

I have commenced testing. Prefect testing 101:

1 barbarian (native) invader=the third prefect killed him. '

I will conduct further tests to confirm this.

paultheo
Banned

posted 05-06-00 17:54 ET (US) 13 / 48

Prefect test 101 CONFIRMED

I have tried it 4 times all with the same result: the third prefect ALWAYS kills the native while the first 2 prefects are ALWAYS killed.

Julianus Apostatus
Pleb

posted 05-06-00 18:01 ET (US) 14 / 48

Speaking of prefects and their all-around mediocrity: has anyone here ever used their legionaries to quiet civil unrest? I found the results quite satisfying--a riot lasts approximately .003243425 seconds after the legions arrive on the scene . . .

More Taxes! Seize The Land! Hand Over Your Firstborn, Plebeian Swine, Or Feel The Steely Kiss Of My Blade!
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Julianus Apostatus

Quis custodiet ipsos custodies?

[This message has been edited by Julianus Apostatus (edited 05-06-2000).]

latus
Pleb

posted 05-06-00 18:03 ET (US) 15 / 48

I've only had civil unrest once in my governor career, and of course I brought in my army right away... Martial Law had to be established, and my javelins did the trick just fine. Legionaries are too slow and would've taken too long to arrive at the scene.

Paultheo, thanks for info

-Latus

paultheo
Banned

posted 05-06-00 18:48 ET (US) 16 / 48

More info (glad some people appreciate it

)...

Prefect test 201

1 etruscan soldier=4 prefects killed, 5th prefect kills enemy.

I will confirm this later.

[This message has been edited by paultheo (edited 05-06-2000).]

Brutus Forci
Pleb

posted 05-06-00 18:57 ET (US) 17 / 48

Ave Paultheo,

I appreciate it! Your initiative and research are as ever OUTSTANDING. Keep up the fine lab work - Brutus F.

paultheo
Banned

posted 05-06-00 19:36 ET (US) 18 / 48

I am almost as a good a researcher as you!BTW, how is tarracco going?

Ok, I screwed up on the first test. Here are the confirmed results:

Prefect test 201 confirmed

1 etruscan soldier=6 prefects killed 7th prefect kills etruscan soldier

I tried it with different enemies and the results are always different. Ex: graeci soldiers only kill 4 prefects. The results vary with the opponent. Unfortunately the tests versus enemy armies are useless. Unless you make tests for every single opponent. (which I may try some day)

Take note that the results are always the same. Ex: etruscan soldier will always kill 6 prefects, etc...

I will further test, but only against natives with gladiotors and lions.

I am glad of everybody's interest!

Marcus Lindicus
Pleb

posted 05-06-00 21:26 ET (US) 19 / 48

You are industrious!

Be sure to put all those results in a text file for me so I can put them you know where.

herub

arcusLindicus

-----I always wanted to be someone....I guess I should have been more specific.-----

Cyber Paladin
Pleb

posted 05-07-00 02:37 ET (US) 20 / 48

Wow~
Great work paultheo!
I'm eager to seeing the results!

My signature...absolutely not a big deal!

paultheo
Banned

posted 05-07-00 08:53 ET (US) 21 / 48

Thanks guys! If someone would like to know the results for specific enemies, ex:carthaginians, then I could do it for them.

Next I will test gladiotors on natives.

[This message has been edited by paultheo (edited 05-07-2000).]

Cyber Paladin
Pleb

posted 05-07-00 10:27 ET (US) 22 / 48

Well, one question: Does mobs fight?
How strong they are??

My signature...absolutely not a big deal!

paultheo
Banned

posted 05-07-00 10:36 ET (US) 23 / 48

CP, mobs fight and destroy things just like enemies. Prefects will usually kill them though. If you want I could test it for you.

Gladiotor test 101

1native=1 gladiotor kills him

I tested it 3 times. All three times the native is killed by one gladiotor. The results are not 100% sure as there is often a second gladiotor that joins the fight. It is either 1or2 gladiotors. Regardless, gladiotors make much better fighters then prefects.

Next:lions Vs natives.

Marcus Lindicus
Pleb

posted 05-07-00 12:50 ET (US) 24 / 48

Why not do every walker vs. every enemy?

paultheo
Banned

posted 05-07-00 13:59 ET (US) 25 / 48

Walkers do not fight marcus!

Only prefects, gladiotors and lions fight!

If you are going to laugh I see no sense in continuing!

[This message has been edited by paultheo (edited 05-07-2000).]

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