Oh Muses, sing to me the story of the assembly of Greeks at Samos. Sing to me of the ragged man who walked into the delegation. The guards attempted to keep him out, but he knocked them aside and rushed inside, screaming, "Noble men of Greece, there are imposters in your midst! Among you are barbarians who ambushed me on my way here and are falsely representing my city-state -" But before the city could be named the Fates cut the thread of this man's soul. Or was it the dagger that was thrown directly into his heart? Suddenly, an eagle lets forth a fierce and shrill shriek from an unknown direction. A sign from the Olympians! But does it spell doom for the free cities of Greece or victory? Sing to me, oh Muses...

So this game starts with day ? How's that supposed to work Ace ? Nobody has done anything yet, nobody has any information to go on. We might as well draw straws for who we lynch first.

Nice intro sequence btw.

Aside from the fact that you don't HAVE to lynch anyone, I want to give everyone a chance for some participation. I don't like the idea of people dieing before the game really even begins. And to be honest, there's no difference in terms of voting whether it begins during the day or at night. The town might have more investigative knowledge, but they also have fewer people due to deaths, and no investigator reveals themself on the first day, so the town can easily be led astray. To be honest, the voting is as clueless whether you begin during the day or at night. So, get a conversation going and if you guys really just can't form an idea of someone to vote for, you just vote "no lynch", they day ends and you've got some more info and fewer people to work with on the next day.

OK....

In that case, Vote Mebertus.

I'm pretty certain he dropped out in the confirmation thread anyway but his name is still on the list. This makes him the obvious choice. This situation is a little wierd in that the normal golden rule of never, ever, under any circumstances voting for no lynch doesn't really apply. Still, there's no real point spending a couple of days talking about it and then still not lynching anybody, so a self-proclaimed inactive seems the best way to go.

Well actually that should be replaced by my name

Ahh. Never mind then.

Anybody have any new bright ideas ?

Wait for the Mafia to tell who they are because the game ain't getting anywhere?

Isn't this why Mafia games usually start at night? So the town actually has something to go on?

@ Sass - How does him being the first to drop make him the obvious choice? Seems kinda pointless to me. What's your reasoning behind that?

I considered asking everyone to roleclaim, but that would be self-defeating.

Actually, chances are we have exactly the same to go on as we would have had someone died, unless we had a lucky cop.

Still, this just means we have a very long day ahead of us. Sass's reasoning, I beleive, was that if he has dropped but is still playing, we lynch an inactive rather than anyone else. If I was going to read a long, long way into it, I could claim that Kaiser is a little quick to defend who is now Tarq, or a little quick to point the finger.

But you can all digest that as you will. Myself, I don't actually think we have much to go on yet. Actually, we have nothing.

Anyone up for a random bandwagon? Or some random posting for ferreting reasons?

Yeah, or voting for a no-lynch, but that would make you a mafia...

Actually, that dosen't apply to this particular day, like Sass said, as not lynching someone merely brings the game in line with a standard night opening.

However, I'd rather act with some knowledge of who does what in the next day.

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Gee thanks for the support... [/sarcasm]

Meb was replaced by Tarq, so no, he's not inactive [anymore]. And if anything Sass was really quick to point the finger first, not myself. Furthermore I wasn't defending Tarq, but rather asking Sass why lynching the first person to drop seemed like a good strategy.

Maybe I should mention that this is only my second Mafia, and the last one I died on the first night.

Which is exactly why I implied that I wouldn't really run on any of that (or thought I'd implied it )

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Yup.

To be fair to Ace, the first day often turns out to be pretty random anyway, but the results of the night actions do at least give something to go on, and can actually reveal quite a bit about the game dynamics which becomes useful later on.

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It is pointless now that I know that Tarq has taken over. My thinking was that as mebertus had already announced he wouldn't be able to be active in the game we had nothing to lose by lynching him.

Okay, I see now. Thank you.

Vote: Dio

It's always best to kill somebody. If he claims something reasonable than we don't lynch him, but if he doesn't I have no qualms with killing him.

OK, in an effort to introduce some kind of a point to today, let's have a look at some different options.

1) No lynch. This would be a bit of a waste in my view, and it's almost always a bad idea. However, as I said earlier, it probably wouldn't be so bad this time. If we are going to do it then let's do it quickly.

2) Random lynch. The chances are that there's about 3 Macedonians we could potentially hit, and I'm sure Ace said that the Romans were involved too. There's probably 2 of them and they're unlikely to be pro-town. This gives slightly worse than a 1-in-4 chance of hitting scum. Not too bad but it's a risk. Obviously this option also begs the question of which random target we choose.

3) Lynch the worst player. This seems a little bit mean but it's a tried and tested mafia tactic early on when you have little to go on. The problem is that I haven't played with most of you before so I don't have any idea who's the worst. The advantage is that even if you hit a pro-town player you at least haven't taken out one of your best.

4) Lynch the best player. This is pretty crazy and I wouldn't really recommend it. The theory is that we take out the best player because if they are scum they represent a massive threat to the town. If we do it then I'd suggest Adder, who's very experienced and extremely devious. But like I say, maybe that isn't the most sensible strategy.

5) Lynch Dio. This option is one for the traditionalists

Options 3 or 5 are my choice if we decide to do a lynching.

Dio is playing?

Vote: Dio

Exactly why I think we should just get rid of Dio, unless he claims something good.

Of the people on the list I view Jax, myself, Shrink, Sassenach as potentially the best players... as such they're recommended targets for the investigative roles.

And on that tangent the docs ought to protect us (or pretend to protect us to make the bad guys think that we're protected... yeah, I'll stop before it gets too convoluted).

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Nice way to cover your mafia roles....

FOS Adder

Adder is far more devious than that. I think there's a good chance at least one of that list (excepting myself of course) is scum, but listing them all together would just be foolish for any scum player.

I know, but it still sounds suspicious to me.

I'm going to bed now (23:11 local time), will be back in about 9-10 hours...