I prefer to attack early so the only falcs I have to take out are the shipment ones which can be taken easily.

But this strat looks quite nice and effective... what rate have you gotten with it?

~1850

well, the problem is that they are the "flexible" kind of op, meaning they can do a variety of things and still be op.

Ottomans are an example of this, and 1.07 germans being a counter-example.

Well I recently used Aztec so I dropped to 1700. Right now I am about 1850. I expect to get 1900+ again within a few days.

I find it sad that Ottoman/Iros are probably the only ones that can face off in a rush and it is totally unpredictable :-)

I like ottoman better than iros though...iros are my favorite native though, just because they have great eco boosts, and are...quite frankly untouchable...unless! i have found it hard to play against a dutch player late game, with many falcs...and skirms, as well as an aztec that uses ALL of the big buttons, + 50 population of troops already...

-blake

i tried a variation of this strat
it defeated 2 ottomans and a spanish noob (he was berrying so im guessing hes noob)

dude berries = pro

lol your like one of those gay pride people, except its iros

berries when u got hunts and in age 1 = noob

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I had the same speed of movement but then backwards, since I stopped playing Iroquois and started Germany.

I don't regret it though. I mean, doing the same thing every game gets boring pretty quickly. With Germany you're forced to adapt. With Iroquois you make the enemy adapt, or you've lost.

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aka ports

Actually I think that Iros are seriously OP and needs to be nerfed. But when I play my favorite civs (Aztecs and Britain) Spain, Dutch and Otto becomes very hard to beat, given equal skill.

From the perspective of and Iroquois player these things needs to be nerfed:
- Forest Prowlers (but just a bit).
- Remove or overnerf Town Dance. That card just destroys the game.

Problem is that if you nerf Iros you have to nerf Spain and Dutch as well as they are OP against all other civs. But then Otto and French will dominate the game... It is a vicious cycle.

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Balance is better than overnerf. And while dancing you're not gathering. The enemy might use that to get to industrial and get mortars.

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Then balance Otto and French too! surely it's not impossible to balance this game.

i have tried this strat a few times today won 1, lost 2.
The game i won was on Andes, where it was very easy to turtle, as the otto could only get to my base over a small fjord in range of the TC.
I have lost two games to rushes, where even though the opponents couldnt take out my tc, they kept my villagers garrisoned long enough for me to fall WAY behind and in the end i couldnt keep up.

Is there a solution to this, as it seems like quite a weak strat to me... Is there any chance in a rec game please?

When I played Iros I prefered to attack early with loads of prowlers, mantlets and cuirs. If your opponent went for defending the rush (forward first rax), he loses. If he doesn't get 2 falc shipment soon enough, he loses. Even if he does it's a struggle. Only France(Cuirs) and Spain(Lancers) and maybe ottos (abus) can beat Iro effectively IMO.

scriv1984,

The key is to not garrison more then 10 villagers in your TC. Since your warhuts are a bit spread out but still close to the TC it should be very possible to gather resources near at least on of the warhuts but away from enemy fire. If the enemy is moving his units towards your settlers just garrison in the warhuts.

I find that even if you lose your first TC you still have a decent chance to win the game as long as you manage to get up to fortress. Just put down another TC immediately and all you lost is 300 wood and some vs. 10 garrison villagers in a Great house TC kill plenty more resources then what they could have collected in the same time.

But the strat still takes skill to pull off, especially against good rushers. You must remain calm and play it out like a chess game. If necessary fall back but avoid losing any villagers.

i havent even checked, but i know that for aoc, aok, the tc attack was raised for every villager garrisoned. Is this the case for aoe3?

Yes, but the maximum is reached when garrisoning 10 vills.

This strat is indeed powerful. I am on a 13 games win streak and just broke 1900.

Killing of Spain shipment spammers have never been easier. The only civ I really fear is Otto since a strong colonial janissary rush could possible cripple me. Fortunately, not many people seem to play Ottomans.

I wonder btw how this will stand against a German who knows what you're doing and goes fast revolt backed up by SW?

Mediolanus,

I have no idea but I have never lost to a revolution. I think it is more or less impossible to so, given equal skill.

just did this strat and won despite losing 2 TCs at one point. Luckily i had the TC travois in my deck and just put one straight back up and my 3rd was safe, still producing villies.
The fact that you are booming, while he is struggling to attack does make this strat very powerful.
I did get to age 4 at the very end, but didnt get to use my cannons

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Actually, I have succesfully revolted once against a player of higher PR.

I think that even after FP gets nerfed next patch I will continue to use Iroquois. In many ways they are the civ I hoped Portugal would be - an economic powerhouse that is good at defensive booming.

But apart from the nerf to Forest Prowlers and Great house I think it is important to fix the light cannon movement bug. It is simply too easy to micro light cannons compared to falconets and culverins. Stat wise they are fine though.

I have just played two games with them, and I must say it is quite fun. I like the civilisation, and indeed, they are what Portugal should have been. It's a shame they turned out OP.