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Garlef
Skirmisher

posted 04-26-07 04:05 AM EDT (US)

I have listed below stats for 1v1 Supremacy Games between players of Ranks Lt Col through Brigadier (excluding all Mirror matches).

LtCol-Brig V LtCol-Brig
1v1 Supremacy No Mirror
Patch 1.03 -> 4/24/2007
Civ       Games  Wins    %
Iroquois  2302   1445   62.77%
Ottoman   1596   862    54.01%
Spanish   2625   1349   51.39%
Sioux     1705   856    50.21%
Dutch     2179   1047   48.05%
French    2775   1316   47.42%
Aztec     1562   735    47.06%
Portuguese 1350  628    46.52%
Russian   755    346    45.83%
German    829    346    41.74%
British   1054   436    41.37%
Total     18732  9366

LtCol-Brig V LtCol-Brig
1v1 Supremacy No Mirror
(only where both players are SAME Rank)
Patch 1.03 -> 4/24/2007
Civ Games Wins %
Iroquois 901 532 59.05%
Ottoman 720 400 55.56%
Spanish 1139 596 52.33%
Dutch 992 513 51.71%
Sioux 793 405 51.07%
Aztec 700 328 46.86%
Russian 343 158 46.06%
French 1229 560 45.57%
German 364 162 44.51%
Portuguese 564 250 44.33%
British 501 219 43.71%
Total 8246 4123

And to further dive into the details.. To help see the effect of Higher Ranked players facing Lower Ranked players (in the above Rank range effects the numbers), I have broken out how each civ did when it was lower Ranked, higher ranked or same rank, and provided the usage rates for the civs.

Games where Winner had higher Rank:
Civ W L %
Aztec 268-9474.03%
British 148-109 57.59%
Dutch 356-161 68.86%
French 563-231 70.91%
German 129-74 63.55%
Iroquois 720-193 78.86%
Ottoman 307-121 71.73%
Portuguese 325-197 62.26%
Russian 108-40 72.97%
Sioux 298-120 71.29%
Spanish 498-183 73.13%
Total 3720-1523 Avg=68.56%, StdDev=6.11%

Games where Winner had lower Rank:
CivW L %
Aztec 139-361 27.8%
British 69-227 23.31%
Dutch 178-492 26.57%
French 193-559 25.66%
German 55-207 20.99%
Iroquois 193-295 39.55%
Ottoman 155-293 34.60%
Portuguese 53-211 20.08%
Russian 80-184 30.30%
Sioux 153-341 30.97%
Spanish 255-550 31.68%
Total 1523-3720 Avg=28.32%, StdDev=5.87%

Games where Players had same Rank:
CivW L %
Aztec 328-372 46.86%
British 219-282 43.71%
Dutch 513-479 51.71%
French 560-669 45.57%
German 162-202 44.51%
Iroquois 532-369 59.05%
Ottoman 400-320 55.56%
Portuguese 250-314 44.33%
Russian 158-185 46.06%
Sioux 405-388 51.07%
Spanish 596-543 52.33%
Total 4123-4123 Avg=49.16%, StdDev=5.11%

This next table lists each civ and what % of the games it was used when the Higher Ranked Civ, Lower Ranked Civ, or Same Rank.
Usage Rates of Civs:
Civ Higher% Lower% Same%
Aztec 23.18% 32.01% 44.81%
British 24.38% 28.08% 47.53%
Dutch 23.73% 30.75% 45.53%
French 28.61% 27.10% 44.29%
German 24.49% 31.60% 43.91%
Iroquois 39.66% 21.20% 39.14%
Ottoman 26.82% 28.07% 45.11%
Portuguese 38.67% 19.56% 41.78%
Russian 19.60% 34.97% 45.43%
Sioux 24.52% 28.97% 46.51%
Spanish 25.94% 30.67% 43.39%

Avg 27.24% 28.45% 44.31%
StdDev 6.32% 4.58% 2.30%

I really wish that the BB Code for tables worked. It used to work.

[This message has been edited by Stonewall J (edited 05-15-2007 @ 04:25 PM).]

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justiw
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posted 04-26-07 08:26 AM EDT (US) 1 / 46

Thanks for the data garlef, this is a very productive contribution to the forums. This data provokes some of the best discussions I've read on the forums.

Do you think you can post win % for civ matchups? For this to mean anything at all you'll have to pick a large data set. Something like 'LtCol-Brig V LtCol-Brig 1v1 Supremacy No Mirror' or ALL games where opponents are the same rank or FGO vs FGO or something like that.

Thanks again.

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Ender_Ward
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posted 04-26-07 09:57 AM EDT (US) 2 / 46

Nerf Ottomans (more)!
Boost French!

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Ekanta
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posted 04-26-07 10:04 AM EDT (US) 3 / 46

Listen to Ender.

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schildpad
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posted 04-26-07 10:53 AM EDT (US) 4 / 46

I agree with ender

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Garlef
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posted 04-26-07 11:05 AM EDT (US) 5 / 46

justiw,
I could post that data however the problem is that even if I expand the data set to all matches between players of Rank Major and above (where players are the same Rank) there is "only" ~7200 games, that means an average of roughly 70 games have been played between any two particular civs.
If I exclude the rarely played civs (Russia, Ports, Germany, Brits) who each have less than 400 games played (total that match the criteria), the remaining civs still average under 100 games against every other civ.

I would like to wait a little longer before we journey down that path.

[This message has been edited by Garlef (edited 04-26-2007 @ 11:06 AM).]

Beatnik Joe
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posted 04-26-07 11:18 AM EDT (US) 6 / 46

Thanks for posting these stats! Great job as usual.

Ender_Ward writes:
Nerf Ottomans (more)!

Well, the Ottomans were simply too strong in 1.02. Not every player did this, but many, many Ottomans racked up huge numbers of wins with pure jan\abus. Some kind of nerf had to happen. Whether it was the right way or the wrong way to address the problem is always up for debate, but in the end we can see this -- the pure jan\abus days may be over, but the new Ottomans win a lot against equally skilled players.

It doesn't tell us what needs to be done with future patches, but it seems to clear up any idea that Otto got overnerfed as a civ.

Ender_Ward writes:
Boost French!

Heh, they're the middle civ in these stats. Hands off!

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LoH_Numa1
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posted 04-26-07 11:41 AM EDT (US) 7 / 46

Does Iro seem a bit strong?

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justiw
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posted 04-26-07 11:47 AM EDT (US) 8 / 46

Garlef, you have a data set above with over 18000 games in it (GO vs GO I believe) which would be great to see. FGO vs FGO should be at least double that. Which would be on average more than 300 civ-civ matchups. Either of those would be enough to make me happy.

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Septimus2
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posted 04-26-07 12:22 PM EDT (US) 9 / 46

Thanks for the stats, Garlef!

Ender_Ward writes:
Nerf Ottomans (more)!

BeatnikJoe writes:
It doesn't tell us what needs to be done with future patches, but it seems to clear up any idea that Otto got overnerfed as a civ.

Sorry, Joe. I gotta agree with Ender_Ward here, sarcasm or no. It's pretty obvious that Otto needs more nerfing (or just boost everyone else as Ender suggested previously Removing the abus bonus vs HI seems like a good place to start, but won't be sufficient.

Ender_Ward writes:
Boost French!

BeatnikJoe writes:
Heh, they're the middle civ in these stats. Hands off!

Leaving them untouched is definitely simpler. If the cuirs get the (I hope small) nerf that the forum posters are demanding, then some small compensating boost should accompany it.

Iros needs the most significant nerfs--I saw plenty of good (IMHO) suggestions posted in other threads--and Brits/Germans need to be measurably boosted.

The effects of the last patch are very disappointing. The civ ranking and relative power hasn't changed much at all.

Garlef
Skirmisher

posted 04-26-07 12:28 PM EDT (US) 10 / 46

justiw,
The data listed above was for LtCol->Brigadier (not GO or FGO)..
When the dataset is restricted for games between players of the same PR rank, there is only 4223 Games (or 8K civ usages).

For FGO data where players are the same PR rank there is ~6000 Games played. This means that avg # of games between any two civs is roughly 110. Again a small sample size.

Here is a snippet of the data (for FGO ranks) with the most used civ.
NOTE that the size is from 75 to 300 matches, not a great sample size and this is with the most used civ.
France v Aztec: 101-98
France v Brits: 72-61
France v Dutch: 135-133
France v Germans: 35-61
France v Iroquois: 76-110
France v Otto: 95-130
France v Ports: 49-64
France v Russia: 34-41
France v Sioux: 101-95
France v Spain: 139-154

I'd rather not post such a small sample size. But if you want I could email the info to you.

[This message has been edited by Garlef (edited 04-26-2007 @ 12:33 PM).]

DonOFCassador
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posted 04-26-07 12:31 PM EDT (US) 11 / 46

Whoa Ender I thought you played as Ottos.
And, why the French?

Roark
Skirmisher

posted 04-26-07 12:38 PM EDT (US) 12 / 46

Is there any reason why you're leaving out brig+ ?

I'd like to see just win percentages for all civs for lt col+, without leaving out the top bracket. I understand the top bracket is not useful by itself due to the smaller sample, but it is at least as useful as the lt col numbers when added to that data set.

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MusketKing
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posted 04-26-07 12:42 PM EDT (US) 13 / 46

Is it me or does any get the feeling a lot of people missed Ender's sarcasm...

Septimus2 writes:
Sorry, Joe. I gotta agree with Ender_Ward here, sarcasm or no. It's pretty obvious that Otto needs more nerfing (or just boost everyone else as Ender suggested previously Removing the abus bonus vs HI seems like a good place to start, but won't be sufficient.

(True he did say sarcasm or not)

DonOfCassador writes:
Whoa Ender I thought you played as Ottos.

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Garlef
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posted 04-26-07 12:48 PM EDT (US) 14 / 46

Roark,
I left out ranks above Brig because the last stats thread was focused on LtCol-Brig ranks.
Adding in higher ranks isn't many more games. In fact it is only 270 more games when limited to matches of players of same PR rank facing off than already posted.

[This message has been edited by Garlef (edited 04-26-2007 @ 12:57 PM).]

Roark
Skirmisher

posted 04-26-07 12:52 PM EDT (US) 15 / 46

but as we saw, there are some pretty big differences. Like the fact that brits play much more competitively at brig+, and aztecs play much less competitively. Even with the smaller amount of games, I think it would affect the win%s

ESO: Naevius

justiw
Skirmisher

posted 04-26-07 12:57 PM EDT (US) 16 / 46

Garlef, I don't really care if they are the same PR rank. I just would like to see the numbers for a sizable dataset.

For instance, you have GO vs GO without restricting to the same PR rank at 18000+ games.

FGO vs FGO without restricting to the same PR rank could have 40000+ games in it.

Either of these would be interesting.

If you want to email me send it to my screen name at yahoo dot com.

Counter the attack, then Counter Attack!!!

Garlef
Skirmisher

posted 04-26-07 01:11 PM EDT (US) 17 / 46

Roark,
Here is the stats for LtCol+ when players of same rank face off:
1v1 Supremacy No Mirrors
Patch 1.03 -> 4/24/2007
Civ Games Win %
Iroquois 987 586 59.37%
Ottoman 742 415 55.93%
Spanish 1244 659 52.97%
Dutch 1099 560 50.96%
Sioux 822 414 50.36%
Aztec 721 337 46.74%
Russian 349 160 45.85%
German 387 176 45.48%
French 1308 590 45.11%
Portuguese 584 258 44.18%
British 537 235 43.76%
Total 8780 4390

You will notice that the games for players above Brigadier made little effect to the overall rates.

schildpad
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posted 04-26-07 01:30 PM EDT (US) 18 / 46

Will, if you dont know ender you could miss the sarcasm pretty easily.

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Roark
Skirmisher

posted 04-26-07 02:34 PM EDT (US) 19 / 46

Garlef, at the top, restricting to same-rank matches just dilutes the pool too much to make a difference (as you said). Especially since I think the skill differences between ranks at that level is a lot different than the skill difference between say a lt colonel and a colonel.

I was looking for an update of the very first table you posted

"1v1 Supremacy No Mirror
Patch 1.03 -> 4/24/2007"

with the players>brigs included

thanks

ESO: Naevius

justiw
Skirmisher

posted 04-26-07 02:42 PM EDT (US) 20 / 46

^^ ditto but with civ-civ matchups added.

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Garlef
Skirmisher

posted 04-26-07 02:50 PM EDT (US) 21 / 46

Here are the Stats for FGO (Major-Colonel) only:
FGO v FGO
1v1 Supremacy Mirror excluded
Patch 1.03 -> 4/24/2007
Civ Games Win %
Iroquois 2685 1577 58.73%
Ottoman 2723 1493 54.83%
Spanish 3984 2076 52.11%
Sioux 2576 1295 50.27%
Aztec 2908 1448 49.79%
Dutch 3520 1729 49.12%
Russian 1281 624 48.71%
French 3970 1905 47.98%
German 1460 673 46.10%
Portuguese 1781 805 45.20%
British 1908 773 40.51%
Total 28796 14398

Aztec v Brits: 116-79
Aztec v Dutch: 236-197
Aztec v French: 222-241
Aztec v German: 88-76
Aztec v Iro: 104-167
Aztec v Otto: 143-153
Aztec v Ports: 98-86
Aztec v Russia: 74-73
Aztec v Sioux: 168-140
Aztec v Spain: 199-248

Brits v Aztec: 79-116
Brits v Dutch: 96-147
Brits v French: 116-153
Brits v German: 43-58
Brits v Iro: 68-129
Brits v Otto: 75-138
Brits v Ports: 78-66
Brits v Russia: 35-66
Brits v Sioux: 53-109
Brits v Spain: 130-153

Dutch v Aztec: 197-236
Dutch v Brits: 147-96
Dutch v French: 297-270
Dutch v German: 112-90
Dutch v Iro: 159-227
Dutch v Otto: 198-164
Dutch v Ports: 147-91
Dutch v Russia: 73-87
Dutch v Sioux: 144-164
Dutch v Spain: 268-366

French v Aztec: 241-222
French v Brits: 153-116
French v Dutch: 270-297
French v German: 112-117
French v Iro: 165-222
French v Otto: 206-290
French v Ports: 128-131
French v Russia: 99-82
French v Sioux: 211-223
French v Spain: 320-365

German v Aztec: 76-88
German v Brits: 58-43
German v Dutch: 90-99
German v French: 117-112
German v Iro: 63-88
German v Otto: 54-78
German v Ports: 43-47
German v Russia: 28-23
German v Sioux: 72-66
German v Spain: 72-143

Iro v Aztec: 167-104
Iro v Brits: 129-68
Iro v Dutch: 227-159
Iro v French: 222-165
Iro v German: 88-63
Iro v Otto: 129-123
Iro v Ports: 109-74
Iro v Russia: 69-50
Iro v Sioux: 187-116
Iro v Spain: 250-186

Otto v Aztec: 153-143
Otto v Brits: 138-75
Otto v Dutch: 164-198
Otto v French: 290-206
Otto v German: 88-54
Otto v Iro: 123-129
Otto v Ports: 102-77
Otto v Russia: 66-52
Otto v Sioux: 128-117
Otto v Spain: 251-179

Ports v Aztec: 86-98
Ports v Brits: 66-78
Ports v Dutch: 91-147
Ports v French: 131-128
Ports v German: 47-43
Ports v Iro: 74-109
Ports v Otto: 77-102
Ports v Russia: 48-47
Ports v Sioux: 56-90
Ports v Spain: 129-134

Russia v Aztec: 73-74
Russia v Brits: 66-35
Russia v Dutch: 87-73
Russia v French: 82-99
Russia v German: 23-28
Russia v Iro: 50-69
Russia v Otto: 52-66
Russia v Ports: 47-48
Russia v Sioux: 56-69
Russia v Spain: 88-96

Sioux v Aztec: 140-168
Sioux v Brits: 109-53
Sioux v Dutch: 164-144
Sioux v French: 223-211
Sioux v German: 66-72
Sioux v Iro: 116-187
Sioux v Otto: 117-128
Sioux v Ports: 90-56
Sioux v Russia: 69-56
Sioux v Spain: 201-206

Spain v Aztec: 248-199
Spain v Brits: 153-130
Spain v Dutch: 366-268
Spain v French: 365-320
Spain v German: 143-72
Spain v Iro: 186-250
Spain v Otto: 179-251
Spain v Ports: 134-129
Spain v Russia: 96-88
Spain v Sioux: 206-201
---------------------------
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And here are the stats for when players of Rank Lt Colonel or higher face off:

LtCol+ v LtCol+
1v1 Supremacy Mirror excluded
Patch 1.03 -> 4/24/2007
Civ Games Win %
Iroquois 2890 1788 61.87%
Spanish 3525 1901 53.93%
Ottoman 1810 936 51.71%
Dutch 2943 1464 49.75%
Sioux 1950 941 48.26%
French 3465 1620 46.75%
Portuguese 1565 714 45.62%
Aztec 1745 790 45.27%
German 979 431 44.02%
Russian 821 361 43.97%
British 1295 548 42.32%
Total 22988 11494

Aztec v Brits: 55-37
Aztec v Dutch: 124-122
Aztec v French: 125-165
Aztec v German: 34-42
Aztec v Iro: 71-167
Aztec v Otto: 63-69
Aztec v Ports: 57-65
Aztec v Russia: 44-44
Aztec v Sioux: 100-80
Aztec v Spain: 117-164

Brits v Aztec: 37-55
Brits v Dutch: 70-95
Brits v French: 108-112
Brits v German: 28-37
Brits v Iro: 61-102
Brits v Otto: 41-78
Brits v Ports: 48-55
Brits v Russia: 17-26
Brits v Sioux: 39-69
Brits v Spain: 99-118

Dutch v Aztec: 122-124
Dutch v Brits: 95-70
Dutch v French: 282-247
Dutch v German: 71-52
Dutch v Iro: 176-267
Dutch v Otto: 140-87
Dutch v Ports: 144-97
Dutch v Russia: 48-55
Dutch v Sioux: 115-115
Dutch v Spain: 271-365

French v Aztec: 165-125
French v Brits: 112-108
French v Dutch: 247-287
French v German: 87-87
French v Iro: 173-281
French v Otto: 166-189
French v Ports: 120-112
French v Russia: 76-54
French v Sioux: 175-201
French v Spain: 299-406

German v Aztec: 42-34
German v Brits: 37-28
German v Dutch: 52-71
German v French: 87-87
German v Iro: 47-76
German v Otto: 41-48
German v Ports: 32-36
German v Russia: 19-13
German v Sioux: 31-40
German v Spain: 43-115

Iro v Aztec: 167-71
Iro v Brits: 102-61
Iro v Dutch: 267-176
Iro v French: 281-173
Iro v German: 76-47
Iro v Otto: 124-112
Iro v Ports: 137-103
Iro v Russia: 70-29
Iro v Sioux: 213-112
Iro v Spain: 351-218

Otto v Aztec: 69-63
Otto v Brits: 78-41
Otto v Dutch: 87-140
Otto v French: 189-166
Otto v German: 48-41
Otto v Iro: 112-124
Otto v Ports: 69-53
Otto v Russia: 43-26
Otto v Sioux: 86-87
Otto v Spain: 155-133

Ports v Aztec: 65-57
Ports v Brits: 55-48
Ports v Dutch: 97-144
Ports v French: 112-120
Ports v German: 36-32
Ports v Iro: 103-137
Ports v Otto: 53-69
Ports v Russia: 40-34
Ports v Sioux: 46-75
Ports v Spain: 107-135

Russia v Aztec: 44-44
Russia v Brits: 26-17
Russia v Dutch: 55-48
Russia v French: 54-76
Russia v German: 40-19
Russia v Iro: 29-70
Russia v Otto: 26-43
Russia v Ports: 34-40
Russia v Sioux: 29-31
Russia v Spain: 51-72

Sioux v Aztec: 80-100
Sioux v Brits: 69-39
Sioux v Dutch: 115-115
Sioux v French: 201-175
Sioux v German: 40-31
Sioux v Iro: 112-213
Sioux v Otto: 87-86
Sioux v Ports: 75-46
Sioux v Russia: 31-29
Sioux v Spain: 131-175

Spain v Aztec: 164-117
Spain v Brits: 118-99
Spain v Dutch: 365-271
Spain v French: 406-299
Spain v German: 115-43
Spain v Iro: 218-351
Spain v Otto: 133-155
Spain v Ports: 135-107
Spain v Russia: 72-51
Spain v Sioux: 175-131

*Correct typo in Ports v Brits stats

[This message has been edited by Garlef (edited 04-27-2007 @ 01:04 PM).]

justiw
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posted 04-27-07 12:37 PM EDT (US) 22 / 46

Civ rankings where the avg is the Mean of civ vs civ win percentages. stdev is a measure of performance variability (ie. civ A does well against B,C,D but poorly against E,F,G results in a large stdev, likewise if civ A does the same against all other civs it would have a small stdev)

1. Iro:avg = 62.4, stdev = 5.5
Best vs Russia: Worst vs Otto: Most balanced vs Otto

2. Spain: avg = 55.7, stdev = 8.9
Best vs German: Worst vs Iro: Most balanced vs Otto or Brits

3. Otto: avg = 53.3, stdev = 7.6
Best vs Brit: Worst vs Dutch: Most balanced vs Sioux

4. Dutch: avg = 51.9, stdev = 7.4
Best vs Otto and Port: Worst vs Iro: Most balanced vs Sioux

5. Sioux: avg = 50.9, stdev = 8.9
Best vs Brit and Port : Worst vs Iro : Most balanced vs Dutch and Otto

6. French: avg = 48.8, stdev = 6.2
Best vs Russia : Worst vs Iro : Most balanced vs Port, Brit, German

7. Russia: avg = 47.6, stdev = 11.2
Best vs German : Worst vs Iro : Most balanced vs Aztec

8. Ports: avg = 47.1, stdev = 6.1
Best vs Russia, German, Aztec, Brit : Worst vs Sioux : Most balanced vs French

9. Aztec: avg = 47.0, stdev = 8.2
Best vs Brit : Worst vs Iro : Most balanced vs German and Dutch

10. German: avg = 46.6, stdev = 9.6
Best vs Russia : Worst vs Spain : Most balanced vs French

11. Brits: avg = 41.5, stdev = 4.8
Best vs French : Worst vs Otto (and everyone else, lol) : Most balanced vs French

Conclusions:
Brits just stink in 1v1 although I'm not really sure why. Maybe they have a fundamental flaw, or they are just misused.
The civs with the worst averages are used the least (small data sets).
Russia, Port and German are better than people give credit.
Iro is completely and utterly killing every civ with only the ottomans coming close to breaking even with them.
Iro should get a big nerf because they are pretty much every civ's worst matchup.
Spain should get a small nerf. Maybe shipment speed?
German should get a small boost. Maybe shipment speed?
Russia, Aztec, Ports and Brits would be hard to balance for 1v1 because they are already very good team civs.

Counter the attack, then Counter Attack!!!

[This message has been edited by justiw (edited 04-27-2007 @ 01:30 PM).]

Garlef
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posted 04-27-07 01:01 PM EDT (US) 23 / 46

justiw,
Which dataset did you use for your numbers? LtCol+ or FGO?

(I am guessing LtCol+)

Note: I corrected the typo in Ports v Brits stats. (55-48 is the correct value).

[This message has been edited by Garlef (edited 04-27-2007 @ 01:05 PM).]

justiw
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posted 04-27-07 01:23 PM EDT (US) 24 / 46

oh yeah, ltCol+. I forgot to mention that.

Btw, this data is meant to factor out the fact that some civs are played more than others. These averages should be the same as if all civs were played an equal number of times and all matchups occured an equal number of times.

Editing my results to account for the typo. Port jumps up a bit with that one...

Counter the attack, then Counter Attack!!!

[This message has been edited by justiw (edited 04-27-2007 @ 01:27 PM).]

Garlef
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posted 04-27-07 02:29 PM EDT (US) 25 / 46

Ok... More stats here.
Now I have broken down the stats based apon map types; TP, non-TP, H2O, non-H2O

LtCol+ v LtCol+
1v1 Supremacy No Mirror
Non-TP maps
Patch 1.03 -> 4/24/2007
Civ Games Win%
Iroquois 566 342 60.42%
Spanish 663 366 55.20%
Sioux 400 210 52.50%
Dutch 611 311 50.90%
Ottoman 333 161 48.35%
Aztec 354 169 47.74%
British 238 111 46.64%
Portuguese 313 145 46.33%
French 735 333 45.31%
German 201 79 39.30%
Russian 166 63 37.95%
Total 4580 2290

Non-TP Maps:
Bayou, Hispanola, Painted Desert, Orinoco
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LtCol+ v LtCol+
1v1 Supremacy No Mirror
H2O maps
Patch 1.03 -> 4/24/2007
Civ Games Win%
Iroquois 1474 897 60.85%
Spanish 1792 957 53.40%
Ottoman 908 482 53.08%
Portuguese 769 387 50.33%
Dutch 1509 735 48.71%
Aztec 880 417 47.39%
British 677 316 46.68%
Russian 390 181 46.41%
Sioux 973 447 45.94%
German 486 214 44.03%
French 1730 761 43.99%
Total 11588 5794

H2O Maps:
Araucania, California, Carolina, Great Lakes, Hispanola, New England,
Northwest Territories, Patagonia,Saguenay, Yucatan

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LtCol+ v LtCol+
1v1 Supremacy No Mirror
Non-H2O maps
Patch 1.03 -> 4/24/2007
Civ Games Win%
Iroquois 1414 890 62.94%
Spanish 1733 944 54.47%
Dutch 1433 728 50.80%
Sioux 976 494 50.61%
Ottoman 902 454 50.33%
French 1734 858 49.48%
German 493 217 44.02%
Aztec 863 371 42.99%
Russian 431 180 41.76%
Portuguese 796 327 41.08%
British 615 232 37.72%
Total 11390 5695

Non-H2O Maps:
Andes, Bayou, Great Plains, Orinoco, Painted Desert, Pampas,
Rockies, Sonora, Texas, Yukon

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LtCol+ v LtCol+
1v1 Supremacy No Mirror
TP maps
Patch 1.03 -> 4/24/2007
Civ Games Win%
Iroquois 2322 1445 62.23%
Spanish 2862 1535 53.63%
Ottoman 1477 775 52.47%
Dutch 2331 1152 49.42%
Sioux 1549 731 47.19%
French 2729 1286 47.12%
Russian 655 298 45.50%
Portuguese 1252 569 45.45%
German 778 352 45.24%
Aztec 1389 619 44.56%
British 1054 437 41.46%
Total 18398 9199

TP Maps:
Andes, Araucania, California, Carolina, Great Lakes, Great Plains,
New England, Northwest Territories, Pampas, Patagonia, Rockies, Saguenay,
Sonora, Texas, Yucatan, Yukon

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