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[This message has been edited by Stonewall J (edited 03-12-2007 @ 07:08 AM).]

Ender, why do you think their so bad? They cost 303 VS compared to 257 axe rider.

By the time you've made 18, you could have made 21 axe riders. Not much of a difference. Attack wise, TP > AR until they start dying. To stop them from dying quickly, use the stealth function to get straight to what they need to counter. They have better siege than axeriders and are many times better at killing vills. They also are better at killing LI*, by unstealthing within melee range.

Sooo why ender?

Tashunke Prowler. 150 Food 75 Gold (450 food 225 coin for veteran stats)
Health: 170 (204)
Attack: 15 (18) (Maximum attack of 40)
Resistance: 10% Ranged
[Stats in ( ) are 3 prowlers = 20% more hp/attk.]

Veteran Uhlan. 50 food 100 gold (200 gold 200 wood for vet)
Health: 228
Attack: 44
Resistance: 10% Ranged

Elite Kanya Horseman. 100 food 75 wood (200 wood 100 coin for elite)
Health: 338
Attack: 31
Resistance: 10% Ranged

Solo the prowler would definatly lose this and to make them have equivlent of a Veteran stat you would need 3 of them. They are definatly worse than Kanya and Uhlans.

To bring a Tashunke Prowler up to it's damage cap of 40 requires the use of 18 Prowlers total, and if that damage cap affects combat cards or the attack dance, the Prowlers are completely useless but if not, combined with stealth they're going to be much much stronger than Uhlans or Kanya, although more expensive and pop heavy.

Odd though their Siege is capped at 30 and their Trample is capped at 80, so either ES screwed something up or they're incapable of doing more than 40 damage despite attack dance and cards and fire dance.

[This message has been edited by LordKivlov (edited 03-08-2007 @ 06:44 PM).]

Once you start losing your tashunke? Ill tell you what mate, Unless your enemy goes Pure Ranged cav, which they wont cuz you have wakina, then your tashunke can take out almost anything without losing more then 2 tashunke themselfs, You just have to play it smart and micro your cav, not just suicide them into things..

Hehe, Ottoman players aren't used to having to micro units what with Abus and all :P

haha forgot about that xD

P.S. Strat will either be up later tonight, if i can get my BO down on paper, Or tomaro since its friday. Thanks for the opinions mate they helped.

They're a little like Native-American Opris, but not as great. Still enough to be somewhat (a little) OP.

-on a sidenote, keeping with the concept of Forest Prowlers= frowlers, we should have Tashunke Prowlers= trowlers.

[This message has been edited by General_II (edited 03-09-2007 @ 00:12 AM).]

and jags, Jowlers.
aha

no cuase we cant say to frowlers, forest, cuase forest is another thing, but we can say tashk or tashunke to tashuke, and jags to jaguar prowl knghits.

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First, they don't have a "maximum attack" -- they have a damagecap, which applies to how much total damage their area attack deals, and which increases proportionally to their attack value. This is so that units with a damagearea, like the tashunke, don't own densely packed enemy units too hard. And for the tashunkes, their damagecap is actually a bonus of sorts -- their damagecap is 2.67 times their attack values, whereas a cuirassier has a damagecap of 2 times their attack value, for instance.

As for their attack value, it increases by 10% of their starting attack (including cards and upgrades) per prowler within a set range (20), and their hit points similarly increases by 5% per prowler within the same range.

For example: If you have 12 unupgraded prowlers, their hp will each be 263. If you upgrade the prowlers with the cavalry combat card, cavalry hp card, and and the Sioux big button tech at the farm, their base hp will be 238 each -- and when they're 12 together, they'll each have 368 hp. If you take the New Ways card and get cavalry breastplate, along with the Tashunke support card, you can get them up to 297 base hp, or 461 each for 12 (550 each for 18).

Similarly, their attack value, starting out at 15, upgrades to a base of 19.5 with the cavalry combat and cavalry damage cards. With 12 prowlers, that gets to 40. With 18, it gets to 52. If you do the full war dance with 25 vills, it gets to 53 or 68, respectively. If you also happen to have the command skill card and the teepee damage aura active, it can get higher still -- to over 80 damage, but that's not a very likely scenario.

Another thing is that the aura effect applies whether the tashunkes are stealthed or not. Which means you can unstealth a couple and have them derive the full benefits of whichever stealthy tashunkes are also in the area.

Well I don't know about you guys, but they are definitely not as bad as I thought they were! Their attack is awesome, and the HP isn't too shabby. They can definitely compete well against industrial units and pwn fortress units with the upgrades. They're not too shabby in imperial either as raiders. It's amazing how much they benefit from the upgrades compared to other cav. And also the war dance affects them more than other units due to the trample damage.

@mark, Thanks so much for clarifying that man, i am no good at statistics and whatnot so its finally good to see what the attack of 18 upgraded prowlers are, i never knew but i suspected it was somewhere around 60. Thanks mate

Thanks mark, I was wondering why it had a Max/Cap thing on their attack and was a little worried about it.

Also, every other units stats are based off their Base stats, am I just reading wrong or are Trowlers (hehe) an exception to this?

15x1.30=19.5x2.10=40.95
15x2.10=31.5+4.5=36

Now are they the 36 damage or the 41 damage, every other unit would be 36 but by your math its 41 soo.. ?

[This message has been edited by LordKivlov (edited 03-09-2007 @ 07:46 PM).]

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Yes and no. It's a multiplier effect, so it's based off their base stats, but doesn't add linearly like regular upgrades do.

The same is the case with several other effects in the game, mostly native-oriented; the various dances and warchief/teepee auras in particular.

For instance, with the following in effect:
- Command Skill card
- Full war dance (25 villagers)
- Cavalry Combat and Cavalry Damage cards
- Marauders card
- Friendly Territory card (w/1 teepee)

... you'd get a total damage output per unit for a group of 18 tashunkes looking something like this:

15×1.3, ×1.1, ×1.3, ×2.7, ×1.1

Of course, that is a rather extreme scenario. As best I can determine, though, that is how those effects work.

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I'm pretty sure these were based upon base stats...