Id still rather have a behemoth.

How about Chimera?

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Doesnt the chimeras special attack work on titans? The special attack is ranged.

^^Yes but never the less the chimera is a melee unit.^^

u forgot the stymop bird. its a range unit, although its flying.

Yay! Good find, something original it is. I'll remember this, especiall if the satyr is used with some sort of meatshield.

With the Satyr upgrade I bet they'd do even more damage.

phoenix

The test is great. I just want to add something:

In the end game is more easy to have many units than the early game as you have more TCs and a better economy. 4 fire giants take 20pop space, 4 Petsuchos 16pop, 4 Medusas 20pop and 4 Satyrs just 12pop. If you equal the pop for all the units then Satyrs should be closer to the medusa in damage.

I still feel the Satyr have the same use the Troll have. I would create 6 heros with the 18 favor that cost a Satyr, but I agree isn't a total waste.

Satyrs are pretty good, especially against inf. I hope this guide will get more people to pick Hyperion as a result.

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I cant believe medusas did so much damage! And Lampshades! That alone is good discovery.
Satyr actually is pretty good, i have always used them vs myth units. Theyre decent vs weak armor humans too. Has anyone vever massed them? Quite effective if you do a FH cuz theyre strong enough to kill classical units.

lol, it's lampades...

Don't Fire Giants have ranged hack damage?

I don't think Satyrs are too bad if you rush up to Heroic, although otherwise I wouldn't use them.

Fire Giant stats:

Cost: 300 gold 35 favor
Population: 5
Hack Damage: 15
Crush Damage: 10
Damage x0.25 vs Heroes
Range: 14 meters
HP: 600
Hack Armor: 60%
Pierce Armor: 80%
Crush Armor: 80%
Speed: 3.2 meters/second
Line of sight: 18 meters
Training time: 24 seconds

Special attack:
Releases 3 fireballs. Each fireball does 25 hack damage to each unit it touches, and travels for 14 range. Requires 15 seconds to recharge.

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Does what type of damage fire giants do matter? They're still ranged units.

yes

If you look at the stats of a titan, it has more pierce armor than hack armor.
Most ranged attacks in the game are piercing and don't do as much damage on a Titan as hack attacks. The norse are unique in that they have some ranged units that do hack damage: Throwing Axemen and Fire giants.

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1) Fire giants= took 2,081 hit points away from the titan!
1) Fire giants= took 2,081 hit points away from the titan!
2) Medusa= took 862 hit points
3) Petsuchos= took 780 hit points
4) Satyr= took 485 hit points
5) Lampades= took 479 hit points
6) Manticore= took 447 hit points
7) Troll= took 342 hit points
8) Wadjet= took 235 hit points
9) Mummy= took 199 hit points (very disappointing)
10) Centaur= took 132 hit points

Looking at pure statistics, yes, Satyr are not the worst against other Myth Units. However, think of other things as well.

The Satyr is ridiculously overpriced. Sure, Atlantean can acquire an excess of wood, but even then, I would never make Satyr when going against a Titan. I would make Heka-gigantes or something. If you talked about how the Satyr individually is just as good as the other Myth units of the Atlantean line against the Titan (which it's not), then I could give you credit. However, you just put the Satyr against ranged units as a whole.

Many other things can play in as well; not the least of which include Micromanagement, the enemy's army (which likely consists of Heroes, in which case Satyr = dead in 2 hits), etc.

Btw, this was just meant to be constructive criticism.

Well I know that this guide wont make you choose Hyperion from now on. I was trying to show the rest of the community which ranged myth units to use aginst Titans and which not to waste resources on and that the Satyrs are not complete whimps.

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Don't worry I like feed back wether is good or bad.

Eventhough the Fire giants do hack damage the titan still deflects 89% of the attack and if you know your math you'll know what that means coming from an attack of 15.

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well I doubt anyone people will ever really go Hyperion for the Satyr although I'm no atty player I always quite liked Heroic renuel tech though.

[This message has been edited by DB_iLLwiLL (edited 11-10-2004 @ 06:30 AM).]

Interesting test.

However the thing to keep in mind is that Hyperion's herioc GP is virtually worthless and both behemoths and stymph birds are much better MU.

The only real reason to go Hyperion would be if you were Kronos on water agaisnt a scylla spam (nerieds are rediculously good against other water MU, and I mean rediculously good)otherwise stymph birds are just pretty good against scylla and techs and GP favor Theia.

I always figured if satyrs had 50 more hitpoints, did spalsh damage, or was 40 less wood, they'd be worth it. As they stand, they can be used in niche roles, appearantly including titan-killing (which is suprising and interesting knowlege), but I'd hardly choose a myth unit because it kills titans. I like my myth units to mop the floor with the enemies human soldiers, topple some forts and come back for more. I don't think that the satyr is quite up to that.

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Test it in editor...the fact is FG deals almost double damage to all units (around 30 hack & 20 crush per second)

Forgetting that FG's attack with both their hands in quick succesion, aren't we?

The 10 crush damage is something to. It'll do 1 attack same if the units armor is 100%

Nice, you should really do a non-ranged test.

satyrs are amazing against loads o cramped infantry

also doing a non ranged test would be pointless because

the units would get creamed

Yea, satyrs rock when massed vs tons of TAs..

Satyrs dont suck, but behemoths+traitor or hesperides+stymphs are ALWAYS better than satyrs+chaos. Not your fault, its ESīs.

Even on medit vs a Zeus FHer, Id rather go semi-FH with biremes+heroic fleet than nereids. Gets them every time.

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I originally wanted to do it with all the units in the game but most of them failed miserably. Than i tried using only myth units and agian even the mighties didn't dop so hot and eventually i only left the ranged ones that above avarage. I am thinking of coming back to AoM (I am Halo 2 and BFME right now) and do some more guides (specially a titan killing guide (anybody know where I can get the most up to date stats for units?(I don't have the last update of the game(a lot of brackets ayy)))).