not @ all, maybe making the scn readonly (through right clicking it then properties) but i think they can undo that and then just click (in aomtt) save as

also if u read the AI, and RM help docs it said that microsoft, (ithink) owns the scenarios, and take no liability etc. etc. so u can't (c) it, already done Auron

one way might be to have all these tree on the map, with terrain text saying "Auron2" they will disable triggers like messages and text ans cins but that they wont find, and have it timed for twenty minutes into the game so they will likely not find it :P hope anyof this helps u Auron

i was right about the (C) look below

[This message has been edited by ArcticWind7 (edited 02-04-2004 @ 09:09 AM).]

There's no way to copyright it, anything you make with the game is owned by Microsoft.

It really sucks when people try to steal a map, and unfortunately it's so easy to do. I guess you can do things to confuse them like move all the triggers to a different trigger group and hope they don't know how to change groups, or give the triggers really random names when you want to release the scenario (just Save As), but there's no way to be sure nobody will copy it.

Can't one "destroy" triggers with AoMED? I've heard about that; one will only be able to play the scn, but not to edit it. But I think it isn't able to to that with the new scx files.

BTW, is there a new version which can read and save the scx files?

what is this aomed, and where do i get it?

wow 4 post in an hour

[This message has been edited by ArcticWind7 (edited 02-04-2004 @ 09:30 AM).]

Never heard of it? I'm not too sure if it's in AOMH's download centre, but go ahead and look for it...

As mentoined above, I don't know if it really does it but I presume it. It won't work with scx though.

AoMED is a file converter, quite handy.
For example: bmp -> ddt

It also splits up scn in parts, and with a certain command you can fix them together again and make the triggers uneditable.

BUT: I've never done that and I'm not really sure!

Ykkrosh needs to update AOMeD so we can make .scx files uneditable. If you haven't noticed or looked in advanced setup in ESO all of the Deity games are different versions of hte same scenerio. people (mostly noobs) create 3 units and then change the trigger that shows who made it.
I hate that. RMS scripters are lucky hardly anyone ever steals their work because it is more complicated to make and edit a RMS script than it is to make a (bad/cheesy/thrown together at the last minute) scenerio

You should mess with your triggers. When you're finished change the names of the triggers into trigger01 and trigger02 and so on, and put them in one group, if they want to change something they first have to find the trigger.
Also put in your readme file that you don't want it to be edited by anyone, this doesn't stop all the people, but some people will listen to it. (atleast I will)

I wonder if there are people who copy campaigns, too? Or is that just a matter of single(or multi)player scenarios?

i already know that you cant make a copyright for an scenario since all scenarios made by the editor belong to microsoft. so i cant really make a copyright within a copyright. that would be like stealing credit to microsoft. but i was just asking if there was a way to not allow people do edit your scenario

or i guess the only way is to put my name all over the scenario, confuse people with the triggers names. and make a read me telling people not to edited which i already did.

[This message has been edited by auron 2 (edited 02-04-2004 @ 03:21 PM).]

That really sucks Auron.

The good news is that I think enough people in the community know you and your work that in a sense I guess being ripped off is the ultimate compliment. If I was to DL a campaign or scenario that I found was an unauthorized copy of someone else's work, I would let the thief have it through flames in their DL thread. A couple of other remedial efforts could be to bring it up to the staff at Heaven and they could ban or remove if from the DL section- a warning could also be issued via email from staff. Additionaly, I wonder if there is anyway to install DL files in one's game like the ES scenarios, so they are harder to get at once installed?

IMO MicroSoft not granting some form of limited copyright to authors of campaigns and scenarios is just plain greedy. I hardly think some person who designs is going to flood the market with illegal CDs of campaigns and put a dent in the billions of dollars of revenue that MS makes each year. A limited copyright wouldn't stop all people, but it may deter them.

The only problem with that is that not everyone belongs to heavengames and the game is distrubuted over ESO.

Possible solutions:
~Ykkrosh needs to update AOMeD so we can make .scx files uneditable.
~Find out a way to make scenerios read only like the ones in the AOM and AOMTT campaign.
~Someone creates a program that makes scenerios playable but uneditable.

thats the problem because i have hosted my scenario a few times on ESO. and when people downloaded directly from me, the file will not contain the read me which mentions people not to edit my scenario. so i guess i'm gonna have to tell people not to edit my scenario before playing it when i host online.

[This message has been edited by auron 2 (edited 02-04-2004 @ 11:30 PM).]

use XS, but i'm not the person to ask how.

XS?

I've seen LOTR_Master before!! He host a lot of LOTR games. I have also stolen a map, well not stolen but somehow Kyle Leach accidentally transfered his map from ESO to my computer file! I did not download it from AOMH, but it somehow got onto my scenerio files. I looked at his map in amazment without a care about who and where it came from I have the same map that he showed in the eye candy thread. I got some of my idea's from that map. But dont worry, I didint edit it and post it for everyone to download like what some people do I dont have it anymore because I accidentally deleted all my saved files

LOTR_Master seemed a cool person. but then, i found out that he got mad because i didnt give him credit for my scenario which he never helped me make!!

and was the scenario you downloaded mine?

Does Microsoft really 'own' the scenarios I created? Seems a little strange to me - after all, they don't own any documents I wrote using MS Word either. I know that I am not allowed to sell my scenarios, but I would assume that they still remain my 'intellectual property' (not sure if this is the correct term in english).

By the way, ES seems to be quite relaxed about this matter. When I asked Archangel for permission to use a map from the original campaign as a basis for the upcoming fourth part of my Circe saga his only reaction was 'don't see why not'.

Another solution:
Why don't we just get our campaigns etc. in *.BAR archives, like ES' campaign (one could open it with the bar extractor, but there are few people who do that)?
Does anyone have a program to do that?

Hey Auron: I think there's a program that you can download which "scrambles" triggers making it IMPOSSIBLE to edit the triggers (they turn into something like a code). I heard people talking about it and using it...

That's what we discussed recently. This program is called AoMED. Read the other posts first...

how do i get this program "AomeD"?

Look in the DL centre or search it in the web. But it'll only work with scn files, not scx.

NO!!!!!!!!!!! my hyrule nomad scenario is made by the titans editor!

Bushido!!!!!!!!!

what the hell is bushido?