It waits, as it ever does,
In the Shadows, of this dreaded pass.
A new day dawns, this realm of Man,
Embrace the light, ye who be wan.
Discuss that which ye minds shalt speak,
Under the gaze of the sun, now weak.
For tis not long til the deed be done,
Dire as it is until the battle's won.

It is now Day 1.

There are 21 of you. So it is 11 to lynch.

He who forsaw the coming of doom hast spoken...

So we're starting at day? I wasn't expecting that, but I suppose it gives us a slight advantage. How do you guys here normally start off your games? Random voting?

Pretty much, until somebody does something suspicious or stops posting.

We just need to get people posting so we can hopefully find something someone said to go on. We'll hopefully eventually be able to beat on a person enough to get some info or force them into some obligation.

Day 1 starts are quite annoying. We have nothing to work on so we can either go for pressuring people to see reactions and hope to find scum, or we can go for a no lynch outright and go to Night 1. If we go for the no lynch, it'll be just like starting on Night 0, but we basically wasted this day. So, without further waiting.

Random Vote: Rot

Cause I don't trust him.

But since there's (probably) more town than scum isn't it to our disadvantage to randomly lynch someone? We don't know what custom roles there are.

Right, we don't want to random lynch nessecarally, but we do want to apply pressure to someone, in hopes that they will say something screwy and give away some incriminating evidence.


As for the set up, does anyone know anything about Dragon Lance? What sort of game should we expect?

Seems like stock fantasy to me, plenty of crystal thingies and whatever of darkness and wars of whatsoever. So, we can expect plenty of custom roles with fancy names.

Day 1 starts are quite annoying. We have nothing to work on so we can either go for pressuring people to see reactions and hope to find scum, or we can go for a no lynch outright and go to Night 1. If we go for the no lynch, it'll be just like starting on Night 0, but we basically wasted this day.

I don't entirely agree. While random voting is an acceptable way of starting a game, it shouldn't be selecting a target at random, forcing them to claim and then lynch or not based on that. It should be looking for anomalous or scummy behaviour and then pushing for that person to claim.

Otherwise you end up with a random lynch (most likely town), maybe a few exposed townies and have learnt nothing. Watching how people act is the key.

It's not like we'd have anything to work on if there had already been a night (as far as catching scum goes). Unless our Cop felt like outing themselves or something.

Oh yes, and if we're expecting people to break down and give themselves away, we're wasting our time going after experienced players. Rot is experienced.

Julius has a point, best not to waste time on well versed scum players. Using myself in The Road Mafia as a case study, roleclaims were next to useless, and as scum I competely thwarted the attempt to probe me via behaviour, due to the fact that I have more than a few scum games under my belt. I know it seems arrogant, but that really is the best case study I have.

Now, I can't say I know anyone here that well, so I'll pick a soft, squidgey target.

Vote: Arvy

Rot's random voted all the time, I'll go for Arvy. Vote: Arvy

Woah. Slow the hell down everyone! Now I understand why AoMH mafias are the newbie ones...

It is way too early to randomly lynch someone. Wait for more people to post and we can soon see who is active and inactive. An inactive townie is a bad townie. It will be better to file out the helpful and active from the bad and inactive.

Maybe Arvy is bad, yes, but we have nothing against him now. We can't really afford losing a valuable player like Rot yet.

As far as I can see, the only ones looking scummy are FoO, Nacht Jager, and Arvy. More so FoO and Nacht Jager because of the bandwagon approach on Arvy, who was the first one to suggest the random approach. My only disapproval was him picking a possibly valuable townie.

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Julius has a point, best not to waste time on well versed scum players. Using myself in The Road Mafia as a case study, roleclaims were next to useless, and as scum I competely thwarted the attempt to probe me via behaviour, due to the fact that I have more than a few scum games under my belt. I know it seems arrogant, but that really is the best case study I have.

Remember that AoMH mafias are supposedly different from other, more common mafias, so I suggest a different approach, whatever that might be.

It's 11 to lynch, two votes aren't a problem, and definitely aren't a bandwagon. Considering that these guys random vote all the time it doesn't count as scummy behaviour either.

An inactive townie is a bad townie. It will be better to file out the helpful and active from the bad and inactive.

Are you proposing a lurker hunt on Day 1, with the game less than 24 hours old? Besides, if we followed that philosophy the active scum would have a field day as we slaughtered inactive townies. Far better to look for scum, the inactives are the fall-back targets.

My only disapproval was him picking a possibly valuable townie.

Everyone is a possibly valuable townie. Should we all just sit tight and wait for night fall?

Remember that AoMH mafias are supposedly different from other, more common mafias, so I suggest a different approach, whatever that might be.

Why are they supposed to be different? I'm a bit out of the loop here.

Whoah Phaethon, whoah. This isn't scumminess, it's random voting. A lurker hunt on day one makes no sense. Besides, this is what we would do even if we had a night 0 start.

Ah, it's nice to see the game is finally beginning.

Anyway, Nacht Jager is right. But we should not ignore the possibility that Arvy is something like a cop and has found scum already or something. Damn, it's always hard the first round. We need DragonQ!

I don't entirely agree. While random voting is an acceptable way of starting a game, it shouldn't be selecting a target at random, forcing them to claim and then lynch or not based on that. It should be looking for anomalous or scummy behaviour and then pushing for that person to claim.

That's basically what I said. I said "pressuring people to see reactions and hope to find scum".

Oh yes, and if we're expecting people to break down and give themselves away, we're wasting our time going after experienced players. Rot is experienced.

We can see other players' reactions, though, to him.

Woah. Slow the hell down everyone! Now I understand why AoMH mafias are the newbie ones...

It is way too early to randomly lynch someone. Wait for more people to post and we can soon see who is active and inactive. An inactive townie is a bad townie. It will be better to file out the helpful and active from the bad and inactive.

Maybe Arvy is bad, yes, but we have nothing against him now. We can't really afford losing a valuable player like Rot yet.

But we're NOT lynching. We're pressuring to see behavior and reactions. We're not going to lynch anyone unless we find they're scum.


As for my plan to No Lynch, it would be just like starting on Night 0, which to me makes far more sense than a Day 1 start.

Wait, Phaethon180 is right. Sorry, I misread the above.

I've played Day start mafias before, and the starting theory is you bandwagon to pressure, hoping a scum will crack. However you analyse eveyone's reactions to the bandwagon, not just the person being wagoned.

I'm not sure where to chalk you up now Phaeth. Were I playing only with people I knew well I'd stick you on the scum side of the fence for attempting to inhibit discussion, and simply inviting serial lurkers to make token posts. A lurker hunt on Day 1 is pointless, it might as well be the same as random lynching, especially if they don't respond as responses are the key. However it would be possible to put it down to inexperience of this format, but both your tone and my cynicism make me put you in the scum camp for now.

I'm going to continie pressuiring Arvy, six votes should be enough. Naturally there's the risk of him being a power role, but there's aslo a chance of him being scum, that's the nature of the game.

That's basically what I said. I said "pressuring people to see reactions and hope to find scum".

I thought you were implying that only one person is in the hot seat (too many people play like that). Everyone is under suspicion until they are confirmed town, not just the person with votes against them. I may have misunderstood you though.

As for my plan to No Lynch, it would be just like starting on Night 0, which to me makes far more sense than a Day 1 start.

Explain how it is good for the town to give up a chance to lynch scum, or at the very least get a reading on a few people.

I'm going to continie pressuiring Arvy, six votes should be enough. Naturally there's the risk of him being a power role, but there's aslo a chance of him being scum, that's the nature of the game.

Wait, why? You've just said that Phaethon looks scummy. Why not start with him?

Well we're going to have to vote eventually. Other wise this day'll never end!

Random votes are obviously a good move. Mainly to see how people squirm under pressure.

therefore,
Vote: Arvedui

I have chosen Arvy because firstly:
- I am informed he is less experienced and therefore more likely to make mistakes.

- Other people have voted for him, and we need to have reasonable amount of votes to apply pressure in order to get results.

Vote: Arvedui

I might as well vote for him too then, Jack. Why are we so crewel to n00bs?

I am informed he is less experienced and therefore more likely to make mistakes.

I don't know the truth of this, I just know he hosts some of the best mafias

*sigh*

I was rather expecting a night to begin with... I dislike the randomness of starting on day, when there are likely to lots of custom roles and actions to analyze in a night post.

I still think random voting is a better choice than a no-lynch tonight, but we'll see.