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posted 28 September 2003 03:56 AM EDT (US)   
25 wood less for dock.
Minotaur gets +20hp, +5% pierce, and -2 less favour cost.
Sarissa tech costs 5 less favour.
Manticore loses 3 favour cost.
Centaur -3 favour cost, +5% hack armour.
Spirited Charge -10 favour cost.
Sun ray -10 favour cost.
Posiedon's stable cost 10 wood more.
Cyclops +10% hack armour, +, -2 favour cost.
Vault of Erebus -5 favour cost, -50 FOOD COST.
+100 food to build a tc.
Hetairoi cost 5 food less and 10 gold less.
Gastraphetes have +1 pierce attack.
Myrmidon takes +1 pop slot( if the original one was 2 as in the unit tables...).
Docks fire arrows when fishing ships inside.

Btw... you get your myth unit for the God you chose free of charge at age of advance.. same with all civs. And yes, that means BOTH mu's on land AND sea.... So a free scylla basically if you go with that god on water if your still struggling.

LordRivon found:
Golden Apples cost 50 gold less, 100 food less.
Nemean Lion costs 50 gold more, 3 less favour.
The Argo can actually kill myth units now (OMG)
Sarissa tech -5 favour.
Collossus -15 favour cost.
Hand Of Talos gives +200hp, not 100.
Shoulder of Talos gives +10% hack armour, not 20%.\

Pleiadians found:
Medusa costs 8 favour less( down to 32 )

All so far that we can find...

If you have any specific queries about a unit or god, plz ask and I'll check it out.


[This message has been edited by Pipalonias (edited 09-29-2003 @ 06:18 AM).]

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posted 28 September 2003 03:58 AM EDT (US)     1 / 50  
Wonder why its now 400 food 300 hundred gold to build tc?

Cool,though


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posted 28 September 2003 04:18 AM EDT (US)     2 / 50  
ermm 300 wood, 300 gold, 100 food
posted 28 September 2003 05:15 AM EDT (US)     3 / 50  
Ive have some stuff too (we both have inside information from undisclosed sources, not we dont have Titans already :P)

Golden Apples cost 50 gold less, 100 food less.
Nemean Lion costs 50 gold more, 3 less favour.
The Argo can actually kill myth units now (OMG)
Sarissa tech -5 favour.
Collossus -15 favour cost.
Hand Of Talos gives +200hp, not 100.
Shoulder of Talos gives +10% hack armour, not 20%.


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[This message has been edited by Lord Rivon (edited 09-28-2003 @ 05:16 AM).]

posted 28 September 2003 05:46 AM EDT (US)     4 / 50  
nice

It's lame to quote yourself - aom dude
posted 28 September 2003 06:49 AM EDT (US)     5 / 50  

Quote:

Posiedon's stable cost 10 wood more.

So, instead of reducing the wood costs for Zeus and Hades special buildings, they raised the cost for Poseidon so all Greek Gods are now equal worthless

At least Poseidon was somewhat able to compete before the X-pack.


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During the Great Nordic War (1700-1720), he was commander of the danish navy, which defeaded the swedish army at Kristiania (modern Oslo). After the war, he was killed in a duel on Nov. 12, 1720 just outside Hamburg, Germany, during a travel to England.

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posted 28 September 2003 06:52 AM EDT (US)     6 / 50  
Bah.. stop complaining.. I'm sure ES knows what their doing.... perhaps... :S

Seems to me like all in all they want you to stop spamming cavalry and make a mixture of units..... very odd..

And thanks for the info Lordrivon, I'll add it.

posted 28 September 2003 07:05 AM EDT (US)     7 / 50  
lol@pip

What about changes to Isis?


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posted 28 September 2003 07:06 AM EDT (US)     8 / 50  
also favor cost of medusa is reduced to 32 (-8)
it seems that all myth units are better or cheaper now..
posted 28 September 2003 09:13 AM EDT (US)     9 / 50  

Quote:

Seems to me like all in all they want you to stop spamming cavalry and make a mixture of units..... very odd

Yeah right, guess thats why they also beefed up the already overpowered norse raiding cavalry



TORDENSKIOLD(1690-1720)

During the Great Nordic War (1700-1720), he was commander of the danish navy, which defeaded the swedish army at Kristiania (modern Oslo). After the war, he was killed in a duel on Nov. 12, 1720 just outside Hamburg, Germany, during a travel to England.

ESO: TORDENSKIOLD
posted 28 September 2003 09:21 AM EDT (US)     10 / 50  
Exactly.. so the hippikon now sucks vs it.. so you have to like build hoplites

Thx for that info Pleiadians, and meow_man.. it seems Isis is still much the same.. if not better.

[This message has been edited by Pipalonias (edited 09-28-2003 @ 09:22 AM).]

posted 28 September 2003 09:58 AM EDT (US)     11 / 50  
very nice!!!
posted 28 September 2003 11:27 AM EDT (US)     12 / 50  

Quote:

Exactly.. so the hippikon now sucks vs it.. so you have to like build hoplites

Hippikons already suck against RC - pop wise. Haven't you been reading any posts in the Strategy forum lately ??

Let me take a wild guess - You play Norse, right ??


TORDENSKIOLD(1690-1720)

During the Great Nordic War (1700-1720), he was commander of the danish navy, which defeaded the swedish army at Kristiania (modern Oslo). After the war, he was killed in a duel on Nov. 12, 1720 just outside Hamburg, Germany, during a travel to England.

ESO: TORDENSKIOLD
posted 28 September 2003 12:04 PM EDT (US)     13 / 50  
"Centaur -3 favour cost, +5% hack armour."

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

Centaur Spammage with Zeus here I come. If only the wood cost went down a little. Ah well, can't have everything.


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posted 28 September 2003 12:09 PM EDT (US)     14 / 50  
man, cemtaurs rule even more now. and minos, wow, they jsut became my fav unit
posted 28 September 2003 12:12 PM EDT (US)     15 / 50  
Yahoo, since I don't spam cav this is the changes I wanted. Minotaurs will rule in the X-Pack

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posted 28 September 2003 01:11 PM EDT (US)     16 / 50  
One question, did they fix the bug where 4 villagers on a temple collectively gather favor slower than 3? That was one of the worst things about Greeks.

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posted 28 September 2003 01:12 PM EDT (US)     17 / 50  
What about... Zeus, did he get better? Myrmidons? Carcinos? Anything?

thx


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posted 28 September 2003 01:16 PM EDT (US)     18 / 50  

Quote:

What about... Zeus, did he get better? Myrmidons? Carcinos? Anything?

Cheaper docks
Cheaper, stonger minotaurs
Cheaper myth techs
Better Centaurs, Manticores and Collosi

Yep, he's been improved


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And the Atlantean Myth Unit Guides: Stymphalian Bird, Satyr, Lampades Heka-Gigantes, Man O'War

posted 28 September 2003 02:13 PM EDT (US)     19 / 50  

Quote:

Yeah right, guess thats why they also beefed up the already overpowered norse raiding cavalry

They *nerfed* RC. They didn't boost them.

posted 28 September 2003 02:24 PM EDT (US)     20 / 50  
imo they did improve them slightly....as RC were already good vs. archers because of pierce armour (30 something %)
and now with better hack , they will be better vs. TA, hips, hops, anything that does hack.
- 1 attack is a nerf...but they have better armor so they can stay alive longer to deal damage...
so i think it is an improvemnet
posted 28 September 2003 02:49 PM EDT (US)     21 / 50  
Of course it's an improvement.

Now you are able to fight back with a bunch of vills if caught out in the open. That will be impossible with the improved hack armour - bet that's why they did it, those Norse lovers *Ironi*


TORDENSKIOLD(1690-1720)

During the Great Nordic War (1700-1720), he was commander of the danish navy, which defeaded the swedish army at Kristiania (modern Oslo). After the war, he was killed in a duel on Nov. 12, 1720 just outside Hamburg, Germany, during a travel to England.

ESO: TORDENSKIOLD
posted 28 September 2003 02:54 PM EDT (US)     22 / 50  

Quote:

imo they did improve them slightly....as RC were already good vs. archers because of pierce armour (30 something %)
and now with better hack , they will be better vs. TA, hips, hops, anything that does hack.
- 1 attack is a nerf...but they have better armor so they can stay alive longer to deal damage...
so i think it is an improvemnet

You flunked maths, right?

What *you* "think" is irrelevant. In terms of all forms of combat effectiveness, it is a nerf. If the change is as stated, and there aren't any changes to their modifiers, RC are now worse against:

Hypaspists
Hippikons
Hoplites
Toxotes
Peltasts
Prodromos
Myrmidons
Gastraphetes
Hetairoi
Petrobolos
Helepolis
Villagers
Donkey caravans
Minotaurs
Cyclops
Centaurs
Manticores
Nemean lions
Hydrae
Chimerae
Medusae
Colossi
Axemen
Spearmen
Slingers
Laborers
Pharaohs
Priests
Camel caravans
Camelry
Chariot Archers
War Elephants
Anubites
Sphinxes
Wadjets
Petsuchos
Scarabs
Scorpion Men
Siege Towers
Catapults
Mummies
Avengers
Ulfsarks
Gatherers
Dwarfs
Ox caravans
Hersirs
Huskarls
Jarls
Battering rams
Ballistae
Einherjars
Trolls
Valkyries
Battle boars
Frost giants
Mountain giants
Fenris brood
and Fire giants

than they were before - and in most cases, they're actually worse than they've ever been in retail AoM.

Now you go ahead and name the units you "think" they're better against. They might break even with TA, or possibly do better, given the changes to them, but against everything else, they've been nerfed.

RC will now lose popwise against spearmen, if that's any indication of where they are.

posted 28 September 2003 03:00 PM EDT (US)     23 / 50  
Wow, must have taken you ages to write that list

As for RCs, this is on changes to the Greeks and going on about the RCs belongs in the Norse one.

However, RCs WERE very strong before, and they still will be strong now, just not as much.

Quote:

RC will now lose popwise against spearmen, if that's any indication of where they are.

Why on earth shouldn't they lose popwise to spearmen??? Spearmen are a cavalry counter, so it makes sense for them to beat cavalry.


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And the Atlantean Myth Unit Guides: Stymphalian Bird, Satyr, Lampades Heka-Gigantes, Man O'War

posted 28 September 2003 06:40 PM EDT (US)     24 / 50  
100 food to build a tc [this one is incredulous]? no changes to hippikon? and possy's stables cost more??????

well aside from those things that REALLY bother me, i'm VERY happy about the changes to certain myth units:

centaur
minotaur
manticore
cyclops
medusa

i'm also VERY happy about the decreased cost of certain myth techs:

sarissa
SPIRITED CHARGE (THIS IS A BIGGY! THANKS ES)
sun ray (also a huge boost for apollo)

25w less for a dock is... getting there. it'll help a bit but not enough to solve the problem of greek vs. norse on water.

i'm also concerned that aegis shield didn't get a wood cost reduction.

things i hope come in the patch:

-changes to hippikon to make them a better unit
-aegis shield wood cost reduction
-decreased wood cost of hades ranges and zeus academies
-something to help on water

fh

posted 28 September 2003 06:50 PM EDT (US)     25 / 50  
Do the old races have any new units? i havent noticed any, only the titan units
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