Night 1, so gussy up and send in your actions. I'll give about 36 hours, but'd prefer them in closer to 24 if you wouldn't mind.

[This message has been edited by Xaph (edited 09-17-2009 @ 05:09 PM).]

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Wait what?

So according to the OP, Shanks is dead and Brighty is locked up.

Where's the night post?

Day 1

Robin (Shanks, Tim Drake), has been killed.

Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot (Brighty, The Penguin) has been brought to Arkham Asylum by a masked vigilante.

A new report is to follow soon detailing these events.

It looks like Brighty was territorial, the chances they killed eachother are slim.

Is it day..?

It's day, the night write up is coming. Start discussing!

Yes it is, notice the day 1

But Brighty is not dead, merely in arkham...

I wonder what his role is...

Lol, great. I can still discuss, but no voting or night action as long as I'm in here.

The Penguin is a villain. I'm pretty sure you're bad Brighty, so I'm glad you can't vote.

Due to not many people having died, we can't know much about the setup yet, and on top of that, alignments aren't even revealed, so it's hard to tell if any villains are going to be Town, and vice versa.

Actually he said a new report is coming in soon, that might help a bit.

Quoted from Sign Up Thread:

But this is the way that the City has been. Arkham Asylum's new management had finally done the impossible; they had cured the city of it's so-called 'Super Villains'. Somewhere, out there, a legion of murderers were doing their best to adapt to normal lives. They had all been captured, cured, and accounted for.

There ya go.

The Penguin is a villain. I'm pretty sure you're bad Brighty, so I'm glad you can't vote.

Ironically, I'm noble too.

Gee thanks.

Xzyiothe says:
whoever is the riddler
HAHA OWNED BITCH
Okay had to get that out
/cough

And for the record, Xzy said this in the Xaph approved MSN chatroom.

I had my reply ready from before the day post Azur. He's a villain the very least, seeing as he was able to be treated I can only assume he was scum beforehand.

I was riddled last night. I was told I had to solve the riddle by the end of day, for me own sake. I managed to solve the riddle on my own.

I could've asked for help, but that's "cheating", and if I failed the penalty would be greater. However getting it right by cheating is better than any fail. Pretty sure I had infinite guesses, got it right the first try.

Anyway just thought that information would help.

Lolz Brighty I don't know why it's approved unless Xaph would paste it later. Maybe he just wants discussion fast.

Gotham News

Day 1, 2009

GOTHAM IN CHAOS

Good evening Gotham, I'm Mike Engel with the Gotham News Network.

GNN has learned of distressing news. The masked vigilante, partner of Batman, 'Robin' is believed to have been killed in the line of duty.

In the early hours of the morning, several of Gotham's homeless spotted the body, which has been taken by Batman to a secure destination. It is unknown at this time whether GCPD will be making attempts to recover the body, though the Mayor is under pressure from several children-rights groups to do so.

GNN can exclusively reveal that Robin's apparent death came as a result of a severe beating, and the crime scene has been blocked off by GCPD. Several eye witnesses reported blood stains all over the alleyway that the body was discovered in.

In other news, Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot III, a prominent Gotham Businessman, has been brought to Gotham by a masked vigilante. The former supervillain protested in vain, and is currently under the care of the Asylum, where he is being examined prior to incarceration or release.

So.. Let's start this off.

Vote: Droideka_11

Fact: Droideka random votes Xzy day 1 every game
Fact: Droideka frequently uses night actions on Xzy
Fact: Droideka smells

Therefore Droideka is the Riddler.

But if he is the Riddler, wouldn't that make him a good guy, since all of the old "super-villains" were cured?

Also, are you allowed to tell us what the riddle was?

I've been assured I can state anything regarding the riddle without penalty now that I've solved it.

My e-mail implied something negative. It might of been death if I failed it on my own. However Xaph said if I cheated and asked for help the penalty would be greater if I failed - maybe the people helping me would've died too.

This is not an ability which would help the town. And if he was an ex supervillain (not a current one) he'd have to spree night 0, then use his action night 1. He was able to use an action without use of spree, so the Riddler is scum until treated.

Riddle:

I have eyes that cannot see,
I have ears that cannot hear,
I have a mouth that speaks rarely,
But I have feet that can walk
And hands that can talk.
What am I?

Answer: Helen Keller

So.. Let's start this off.

Vote: Droideka_11

Fact: Droideka random votes Xzy day 1 every game
Fact: Droideka frequently uses night actions on Xzy
Fact: Droideka smells

Therefore Droideka is the Riddler.

I don't random vote for you every game

And that was a pretty easy riddle...

Also the Riddler by nature had to tell the truth so it's worth testing for post restrictions.

Droideka_11; is the name of your role 'Riddler'?

which has been taken by Batman to a secure destination.

Oh batman you sneaky devil you

And that was a pretty easy riddle...

You'd be surprised, I wasn't taught any American history which didn't overlap with Canadian history in school. Helen Keller was one of the possibilities I thought of, but for some reason I had the impression of an animal: "What am I?"


Just so I test it properly:

Droideka_11, do the words 'Riddler', "Edward", or "Nigma" appears in your role e-mail?

Also the Riddler by nature had to tell the truth so it's worth testing for post restrictions.

Droideka_11; is the name of your role 'Riddler'?

Nope.

Oh batman you sneaky devil you

What are you talking about Azur.

Droideka_11, do the words 'Riddler', "Edward", or "Nigma" appears in your role e-mail?

No.

Where are you getting that the Riddler has to say the truth?

Quoted from wiki:

Alex Ross suggests that his father physically abused him, which left him with a compulsion to tell the truth (materializing through the telling of riddles), as well as a desire to prove his superiority by outwitting everyone around him.

I'm not saying he would have to tell the truth in this mafia. But it's worth it to try to fish for post restrictions.

The Riddler is even a good guy in the later batman comics. Chances are he is good in this.

Teehee. That riddle is funny.

Anyway, I would think that something worse than whatever is probably death (I mean, Xaph can't justify killing the people you asked, because what if you asked people not in the game, or you didn't tell them you weren't allowed to ask for help?), so my guess would be that the result of getting the riddle wrong isn't as negative as death. Perhaps it blocks your action or something of that nature?

And if this is so, then the Riddler isn't, by nature, scum, since roleblockers use their actions on night 0 all the time.

Interesting theory about fishing for post restrictions, though.

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And if this is so, then the Riddler isn't, by nature, scum, since roleblockers use their actions on night 0 all the time.

I don't think that's it. Added with what I've said here:

Quoted from Myself:

This is not an ability which would help the town. And if he was an ex supervillain (not a current one) he'd have to spree night 0, then use his action night 1. He was able to use an action without use of spree, so the Riddler is scum until treated.

If he was a cured supervillain he would have to spree before he could use his action. He isn't cured, so he's scum.

Xzy's reasoning is once again based on chance. Droid didn't necessarily target him, and we have no evidence that he did.

Xzy's reasoning is once again based on chance. Droid didn't necessarily target him, and we have no evidence that he did.

It was actually a joke to coax a reaction. The chances are certainly there. Take it as a strategic random vote, note the "So.. Let's start this off." - IMO it's better than a truly random vote.

Very reasonable argument, but how can we be sure, your not a villain 0_O.

That's an issue everyone faces whenever anyone makes a play, unless they're a confirmed townie. You need to come to your own conclusions based on post analysis and results.

I'm not going to RC to push a random vote.

Your basing all of what you say and do off assuming the Riddler is bad.
And as I said, Mr. Nygma is the last villain I would expect to be any sort of scum in this mafia.

Answer me this: Is or has the Riddler ever been a Supervillain?

The basis of this game is that, prior to the game starting, all Supervillains have been cured. Not that there is a role in the game actively curing them, but that they are already cured. I would assume that Joker is the only exception, based on the topic post. Therefore, I think the Riddler is going to be town.

Furthermore, there's a flaw in your reasoning about the nature of the Riddler's role. You assume that, by "negative," his role is negative to the town, but in reality, it is much more likely negative to just you, meaning that it can be negative for the town or the mafia. This lends itself to a role like roleblocker. Hell, I could even go as far as to say that something like a role cop might be negative to players but not to the town, since someone else knowing your role could be perceived as "negative."

I was under the impression Supervillains had to spree to use their powers. If the Riddler is exempt it's possible he hasn't been cured similar to the Joker.

Looks like an interesting game already!

Any character who is now, or has ever been, a supervillain, may choose to go on a 'spree' each night. Doing so will give that character a chance to do their night action ONCE, the following night. However, this will make the news.

News will provide clues, but the station is fallible.

This combination indicates to me that the type of spree may reflect which villain has chosen to go on one, but not with 100% accuracy. It would be helpful if we could determine what exactly a 'spree' consists of - whether it's some sort of randomly targeted use of their night action for example (it has to be something big to make the news, right?). Not sure how we could accomplish this, however.

In other news, Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot III, a prominent Gotham Businessman, has been brought to Gotham by a masked vigilante. The former supervillain protested in vain, and is currently under the care of the Asylum, where he is being examined prior to incarceration or release.

This is interesting. Seems to imply that if someone who isn't pro-town (or perhaps has used a 'spree') is locked up, they will remain so unless they are freed (whether by some sort of role which frees criminals or by escaping), whereas someone who is town will be freed after examination by the staff.

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One problem I foresee for the town (which has already begin with the Riddler for example) is the time line. Most long-running characters have undergone changes of heart at some point in the story, and the Arkham mechanic could potentially confuse things even more. Xaph has emphasized that post analysis will be more important than anything else, so we can't rely too much on what happened in the comics to guide us, particularly in our determination of whether a given character is currently a villain or citizen.

Along those same lines, we may have caught a break with the Riddler. His power was used on Night 0, which may indicate that he is pro-town, but at the same time without more details on what a 'spree' entails we can't know for certain.

To re-quote it.

Any character who is now, or has ever been, a supervillain, may choose to go on a 'spree' each night. Doing so will give that character a chance to do their night action ONCE, the following night

The way this is written i read as follow

may choose to go on a 'spree' each night

Implies that every night your character will have the OPTION to go on a spree

Doing so will give that character a chance to do their night action ONCE

Implies that you do not get the spree action only once

,the following night

Implies that the spree would take place the night AFTER you say you want to use it.

This is how i understand that "rule", feel free to disagree.

Hmm...I totally missed that whole spree mechanic thing. I really need to read the rules more often for special mechanics...

Okay, we lost Robin, but we still have
Batman almost certainly
Nighthawk One of the previous Robins. Might be in here.
all thos bat-somethings batwomen, batgirl, batslut, you know. Probably have at least 1.

Crap, Nightwing. Never read a DC comic in my life, so I got all those off wiki.

batslut

HAHAHA

One could only hope

Catwoman actually..

I don't see how those three roles would be likely to be in this game Vampiric

Remember, VC, I am still superior by right of Gravatar

I say we vote the guy who's trying to rickroll us.