Quoted from Azzie:

Why would we kill someone at random, most likely a pro-town player, giving the scum a bigger advantage? I'm not advocating a no lynch start. In fact, I've always advocated a pro-information start with mass role claims and extremely long first days. But there's no burning need to lynch someone. They're a need to lynch scum. Otherwise we're just hurting ourselves by doing the scum's job for them.

I never said we would kill someone at random. The only thing I'm saying is at this point in the game, a 'no-lynch' isn't viable because it would bring the mafia back to the status quo, giving them first choice of killing someone.

Later, if we have no definite info, we can consider a no lynch as viable. But to put it out there right in the beginning of the day is a bit suspicious.

Quoted from Azzie:

Also, Sir Wulf's first item isn't "screaming for power roles to come forward" as Heir suggested. There's any number of lesser roles, background information, or smaller bits that could be helpful, without compromising. For instance, if there are vanilla townies, there could be bits that serve to "verify" [I use the term cautiously] that each townie got the same type of email. That kind of thing. Maybe a small cop got a funky result.

There is a big difference between "imploring" and "screaming". I think we can trust people to come out with their own info, rather than asking around to see if anyone got anything.

Quoted from Moach:

I disagree with this. We don't know anything about this game, except judging from ferret's pasts games, he usually likes putting twists in it. But there is no evidence as of yet to claim two killing roles. The game won't be going too slow or get boring if there is only one. Its the stuff that happens in the day that keeps a game interesting, not the night. Anyway, we can speculate as much as we want about the game mechanics, and we probably will, but I'm generally not too concerned about that stuff on day 1 when we know next to nothing. I just don't like making too many assumptions early in the game.

With the kind of debators we have in here, the game would seem endless if there were only 2 kills per day/night cycle. But I agree, it is too early to be making such assumptions. I just put it out as a major possibility and the one that I'm leaning towards in terms of game setup.

Moving on,
I assume the Jaffa are the mafia(if they're in the game), yes?

Quoted from Azzie:

I know you guys do things differently around here and I don't know GoO, so I'll defer to HG Main's judgment as to whether or not he's acting out of character.

Not out of character, no. It is a tradition round here(and everywhere in HG except OD) to start voting with the least bit of suspicion or just randomly. It is a tradition that I'm definitely coming to hate.

An odd first post by Say. Just throwing out the possibility of a pro-town cult. No other thoughts, just that one. Strikes me as odd. Perhaps laying the foundation for a plausible role claim later on if he's in a anti-town cult? O_o

Not part of a cult, pro- or anti-town.
The pro-town part was simply because most groups I could think of from the show were "good" guys.
The cult idea I pointed out in the first place, because it fits with he show, could counter Heir's "there has to be more than one killer" line, and a good number of the recent games I have played have had one.

And if you read into the show (we don't know how close it will follow), the primary event at the summit was Osiris recruiting support for Anubis and his return.

On a side not, I would like to say that it is unlikely that a System lord would be a killing role. Those with Star Gate Knowledge know that the system lords rarely did the killing of others themselves, the employeed their servents to do it for them.

They could easily have an NPC to do the killing or something. This certainly doesn't stop them, as they do (or attempt to) kill plenty of people in the series (Osiris attempts to kill Jackson in the episode in question).

Guard of Olympus often does things like that and usually isn't mafia. Mozzie has played with him in the past and had him in a game he hosted. Mozzie should know this. Not that I'm not completely cleared of Guard but mozzie jumping so quickly.

FOS:Mozzie


And what wulf said sounds by no means unreasonable. With not many leads a wrong lynch would only hurt us.

Net access not as good as I had hoped. Will try to get caught up tonight, sorry.

Basically caught up now - do not like Olli's go at Wulf at all. Similar halfhearted bandwagon-starting in other game though and wasn't scum there. Have more thoughts but nohing vital and typing on iPod is annoying.

How close do we think the episode is being followed? SG1 had infiltrated Lord Yueh by convincing him Jackson was his servant iirc. If each goa'uld has a servant that seems like a plausible place to start. Yueh a major power, also senile and erratic - possible SK or other third-party role?

@Heir - I agree that we shouldn't jump to a no lynch, but I don't think that's what Wulf was suggesting. I think it was more of a "putting it on the table" to make sure we don't get to blood thirsty because we have to lynch someone today. Could be wrong about that, but in OD we tend to play/think more long term. The few experiences I've had with HG Main players is more of a short term, immediate, one-strike you're out mentality. Not criticizing. Sometimes that works out when a scummy makes a slip and he's outed. Sometimes it doesn't.

I assume the Jaffa are the mafia(if they're in the game), yes?

Why would we assume that? I'd have to think that, being a "summit", many of the System Lords will be pro-town but I don't see how the Jaffa would wind up being bad guys. Someone like Ba'al or Anubis I could see being on the anti-town side of things, but I don't see the tie-in with Jaffa being mafia, unless you're assuming that the Jaffa are at the summit to kill the System Lords.

How close do we think the episode is being followed? SG1 had infiltrated Lord Yueh by convincing him Jackson was his servant iirc. If each goa'uld has a servant that seems like a plausible place to start.

A place to start with what, exactly?

I'm also throwing this out there - I don't know if ferret has included all/part of SG-1 in this game. But if they are in, and they know each other, that's 4 players out of 15. If SG-1 came forward, we'd instantly cut the pool of bad guys down to 11.

Quoted from Azzie:

@Heir - I agree that we shouldn't jump to a no lynch, but I don't think that's what Wulf was suggesting. I think it was more of a "putting it on the table" to make sure we don't get to blood thirsty because we have to lynch someone today. Could be wrong about that, but in OD we tend to play/think more long term. The few experiences I've had with HG Main players is more of a short term, immediate, one-strike you're out mentality. Not criticizing. Sometimes that works out when a scummy makes a slip and he's outed. Sometimes it doesn't.

That's the way we work around here too, taking our time with most lynches. It is the better way to work and most of us at HG Main know that.

It was the timing of him putting it on the table that was a bit suspicious. You don't suggest such things right off the bat. It wasn't like anyone was particularly acting bloodthirsty anyway. I might be reading too much into it, but still....

Quoted from Azzie:

Why would we assume that?

Because I have no idea what scum are supposed to be, I just picked the last name on VC's list thinking they were most likely to be scum. Will take out time tomorrow to Wiki the series, should know more then.

Ok the thing that every person should know about Jaffa at least in the series is that they are on both sides essentaily.Here is some background- throughout the series the Jaffa (who were enslaved by the system lords) rebelled against them; some Jaffa like Tealc broke free and joined the SG1 crew. Then there are ones who still enslave themselves with the system Lords and remain faithful til the end. So saying that the Jaffa are scum is kinda wishy washy because we have to also look at the view point of this game and the various characters. Right now it seems that the view point may be from the point of the systme lords which would make a Jaffa like Teal'c scum but then again this is only the begining of the game and we will have to wait and see.

Buffychick, do you plan on getting into more mafia at this site, or did you just sign up for the one game? Because if you are, could I ask you to sign up for my game? [/off-topic]

I don't think that SG1 should come forward. If they did, they would be instant targets. I don't think, Coldviper, that your FoS is justified. I don't meta-game in mafias, and so I'm not basing my opinions on what I've observed in other games.

[off topic] i would like to get into more games, this is my first but would love to try more.

So. what exactly are we looking for in a claim that would imply that the person is scum?

So can I count on you for a spot in my mafia? [/last off-topic post]

Right, I've just had a look through the thread to catch up. I agree that the situation regarding the Jaffa is likely to be complex, as I would be extremely surprised if at least Bra'tac wasn't present in the game, and maybe some of the other rebels.

I have reservations about Azzie's motivation for suggesting that SG-1 should come forward, but I am more suspicious of the GoO's spontaneous and unreasonable vote on Sir Wulf. Therefore, I would like a claim from him. Vote: GoO

[off topic post like mozzie]
@buffy chick: If you are interested I need 3 more people for my mafia .


I withdraw it mozzie, but not completely. I think that you guys are in the right. We shouldn't assume what kind of faction is mafia.

Who is sg1 btw?

Quoted from Newt_Gunray:

I have reservations about Azzie's motivation for suggesting that SG-1 should come forward,

That's 'cause you don't know me. While I've come across serious resistance from HG Main players, OD is a little more open [but not entirely] to a strategy of Mafia I push [almost relentlessly] which is entirely pro-information, get it all out at the beginning. Mass Role Claims, no holds barred, get it out. With all the information at the town's disposal, it becomes easier to weed through who is lying and who is not, and then matching already known RCs to player behavior - as it happens.

I don't expect that to happen this game though so I'm not going to push it very hard. It's just a [serious] suggestion. Eliminating a fourth/a third of the players from being lynched right off the bat, drastically makes lynching odds better. But I don't trust ferret as a host near as far as I can throw him. Wouldn't surprise me if he gave SG1 roles out to scum as roles to claim.

In any case, it is just something for those players [if they're in the game] to consider. It's more of their call than ours anyway.

Who is sg1 btw?

Stargate: SG1 was a television series about a special recon air force team, called SG1 [there were 20+ 4 man teams]. The SG teams traveled to other worlds using the Stargates, which acted like to ends of a wormhole, allowing almost instantaneous transportation across millions of lightyears. SG1 was the main team, and the 4 members of the team were the main characters in the TV show. Colonel Jack O'Neill was in charge. Funny, down to earth. Major Samantha Carter was the techno-geek. Astrophysicist, scientist, etc. Daniel Jackson was a civilian, language guy. Archeologist, cultural geek. Teal'c was an alien. First-in-command for one of the main bad guys, before betraying that bad guy and joining the team to fight against the goa'uld [the parasitic life forms that is the "bad guy" in the series].

Ok the thing that every person should know about Jaffa at least in the series is that they are on both sides essentaily.Here is some background- throughout the series the Jaffa (who were enslaved by the system lords) rebelled against them; some Jaffa like Tealc broke free and joined the SG1 crew. Then there are ones who still enslave themselves with the system Lords and remain faithful til the end. So saying that the Jaffa are scum is kinda wishy washy because we have to also look at the view point of this game and the various characters. Right now it seems that the view point may be from the point of the systme lords which would make a Jaffa like Teal'c scum but then again this is only the begining of the game and we will have to wait and see.

The way I read the opening to the sign up post, neither the sytems lords or SG-1 are universally scum. There are individuals trying to derail the summit (be they system lord, Jaffa, Tau'ri [humans from Earth]), say with a goal of taking the other system lords assets under their command (for those who watched the episode, think of Osiris' role, using the summit to bring Anubis to power).

Unlike the episode, the Tau'ri were invited, and aren't there trying to kill everybody (though it is possible there is a renegade).

Next: based on ferrett's comment in the signup thread, I believe that there are different victory conditions for many players (not just scum and town, but, for example, a townie System Lord that must have another rival System Lord townie dead to win).

I think people are looking too simplistically.

As for Azzie, he is often pushing for a mass RC by now.

BTW: are you scum Azzie?

Point to note for non-ODers...

Azzie usually tells the truth about everything he can (except the allignment of his role if he is scum).



Also another point to note: There is a balance to be played between protecting yourself as a cop and getting information out to the town. You can keep schtumm and gether intel on everyone. BUT the danger of getting randomly NK'ed by scum then is higher. personally I always think that unless you have doubts about the sanity of your role, if you hit scum on the first night its always worth saying so. Docs can always protect you (and if there isn't a doc, scum won't know that and will generally assume protection). Even better, that scum could be a SK and you'll have knocked out one faction straight off, meaning town has a much better chance of survival.

Remember kiddies, information helps the town. Secrecy helps the scum.


And no-one seems to be considering whether this was designed to be a no-kill first night, if there was a doc save or a killer was role-blocked.

Azzie usually tells the truth about everything he can (except the allignment of his role if he is scum).

Actually he claims he would never lie, in any circumstances. The most he would do is not answer a question.

nd no-one seems to be considering whether this was designed to be a no-kill first night, if there was a doc save or a killer was role-blocked.

I am not, because I think we will have more of an idea after night 1 (how many kills occur and/or whether elements repeat), see how many kills occur. Otherwise we are randomly guessing whether something is flavour or not. I had assumed going into it that it would be a no-kill night, but I am on the fence now.

I agree with Wulf on that the cop comming out if they have found scum does work. However, this is based on the personal play style of the individual as to this being the correct course of action.

I know that when I am cop that even when I get a guilty result I don't come forward immedietly (especially day 1) unless things are going stangnent or there's suspicoun going towards the person I looked at already and their playstyle Adds my investigation result.

Heir knows this as I had done it in the L4D mafia, investigated him, got guilty but it wasn't until he posted something suspicous that I posted my result.

On the thought of there being a night 0 kill I think it is plausable and the person was heeled. This is from the fact that the circaufagus (spelling:S) would normally be used to heal a person of injury.

WOuld say more but have to get to work.

There's no real information with which to work, so far. I'm not familiar with anyone's playstyle; so I'll reserve judgement on Wulf, Mozzie, and GoO, for now.

I do, however, agree with Say that it's foolish to expect this to follow the episode closely. This has diverted from the storyline of the episode already. As I said earlier, I suspect the episode provides only a setting, especially since I wouldn't expect Ferret to set up a game where those who are familiar with the series and the episode have a significant advantage.

I assumed, originally, it was a no Night 0 kill; but VC's theory that the sarcophagus was used to save someone seems reasonable. However, I'm not ready to make that assumption, yet.

Do sarcophagi have any other uses?