Another reason the roleblock evidence is not concrete has occurred to me: Blatant himself may have been converted.

Doubtful, but it all goes to show that we have nothing solid against Shanks. The case for going after either me or Droideka is overwhelming.

Actually, nvm, now that I think about it; when Xzy got Heir, there was a failed kill report in the Day write-up. Well, let's see...

Unvote
Vote: Droid
If I am wrong, blame Noodle. Blatant be roleblocking Julius then, and hope that 50% work; unless he be lying, which would make me really sad. Though it's most likely he's Town, since Xzy's death pretty much confirmed him and he wasn't acting protown (wasn't even active?) until later into the game, so if we go with "scum only convert people who act protown," then they wouldn't convert Blatant. If we don't go with that, then everyone's a likely convert except Noodle, and that's too much work.

Now that I think about it, by the logic of "scum only convert people who act protown," Droid is a perfect target. He was involved in the whole VT confirmation controlversy (granted I was, too, but at face value, Czech did be chosen over me, and he's already dead and is town, so I don't think the mafia would choose a normal VT, who barely acted protown, over a noble VT), and then initiated the lynch of a Scientologist - a protown action that could later be used as an excuse.

Quoted from Beelzebub:

Actually, nvm, now that I think about it; when Xzy got Heir, there was a failed kill report in the Day write-up. Well, let's see...

Unvote
Vote: Droid
If I am wrong, blame Noodle. Blatant be roleblocking Julius then, and hope that 50% work; unless he be lying, which would make me really sad. Though it's most likely he's Town, since Xzy's death pretty much confirmed him

How?

Quoted from Beelzebub:

and he wasn't acting protown (wasn't even active?) until later into the game, so if we go with "scum only convert people who act protown," then they wouldn't convert Blatant. If we don't go with that, then everyone's a likely convert except Noodle, and that's too much work.

Now that I think about it, by the logic of "scum only convert people who act protown," Droid is a perfect target. He was involved in the whole VT confirmation controlversy (granted I was, too, but at face value, Czech did be chosen over me, and he's already dead and is town, so I don't think the mafia would choose a normal VT, who barely acted protown, over a noble VT), and then initiated the lynch of a Scientologist - a protown action that could later be used as an excuse.

Well if you go by the fact that Julius accused me of targeting Czech last night, it is unlikely that I am the convertee since they don't usually get to make the Mafia NK.

Quoted from Julius:

Another reason the roleblock evidence is not concrete has occurred to me: Blatant himself may have been converted.

Doubtful, but it all goes to show that we have nothing solid against Shanks. The case for going after either me or Droideka is overwhelming.

Pretty fervently protecting Shanks aren't you?

Actually, if you're the only one left, then you must be the one making the kill.

Pretty fervently protecting Shanks aren't you?

I don't care much about Shanks today. I have no idea whether he is town or not, but I know you are definitely not so I'm focussing all my efforts on you. If the game is not won by tomorrow, we can look at Shanks then.

Quoted from Julius:

Actually, if you're the only one left, then you must be the one making the kill.

No that's just what Julius has told you. We know there are 2 Scientologist left. This much has been confirmed by what Czech has told us. Whoever did the converting and the convertee are stiill alive.

You don't need a converter to convert people; just like how you don't need a hitman to kill.

You don't need a converter to convert people;

There usually is a converter which converts people.

just like how you don't need a hitman to kill.

That's something totally different. A hitman is an added role which basicaly splits the Mafia Godfather role into 2 roles, the one that kills (Hitman) and the one that is seen as innocent under investigation (Mafia GF).

Guys you need to decide who you're going to lynch now. Start placing votes. I'm loking at NomadicNoodle, Blatant7, and Shanks13.

Guys you need to decide who you're going to lynch now. Start placing votes. I'm loking at NomadicNoodle, Blatant7, and Shanks13.

Wow. Half the people playing, and pushing for a fast lynch. I don't think so.

Vote: Droid

I can't put my finger on it, but I have a strange niggling feeling that Julius and Shanks are playing us..

Julius, did you ever give us your watcher results? If so, mind stating the post number?

Well as you approach the endgame with the result still up in the air it's easy to be suspicious. All you can do is think it through rationally and make a decision.

Noodle, I have stated my role, actions and results more than once. To briefly summarise, aside from my isolation power, I have the ability to target people and if they disappear I learn who targetted them. Last night I targetted Czech, who disappeared, and so I learned that Droideka had targetted him.

If it would help make your mind up I could find plenty of examples of Droideka acting anti-town since the time of the conversion. Frankly though, I think the length and content of Droideka's latest posts show he has given up.

Quoted from Shanks:

Wow. Half the people playing, and pushing for a fast lynch. I don't think so.

Vote: Droid

Not pushing for a fast lynch. We've discussed for a long time. I just want people to start deciding.

And yeah with the weak reasoning behind your vote and Julius's deffending of you earlier I can see the Julius+Shanks scum relationship.

Quoted from Noodle:

I can't put my finger on it, but I have a strange niggling feeling that Julius and Shanks are playing us..

Julius, did you ever give us your watcher results? If so, mind stating the post number?

He doesn't have any results to his role.

Conveniantly, he only gets watcher results during "certain times".

Also if you remember Shank's earlier role claim I think we agreed that it made no sense. He's a Scientologist whose immune to being converted for some reason.

========================= Vote Count =========================

Droideka_11: 3 (Julius999, Beelzebub, Shanks13)

Julius999: 1 (Droideka_11)

Player(s) in red has the most votes against them. Players in brackets are voters. There are 6 players accounted for so 4 votes are required for a lynch.


============================= =============================

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Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me.
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the sky from me...

I think I'll restate some of my key points.

Conveniantly, he only gets watcher results during "certain times".

This was made very clear during my original claim. Droideka had no problem with it then. His sudden change of mind when he was accused is suspicious.

He claimed to have missed my original claim. This was a lie, see Post 690.

For quite a while Droideka has been more or less inactive, yet he popped up immediately when accused. This suggests lurking, which is usually scummy.

Droideka was heavily in favour of the ferret lynch. In fact, if you look back he was in favour of speed-lynching ferret without even hearing any other claims.

Droideka tried to use the lynch of Wulf as evidence in his favour, despite this happening before the conversion. This looks like an attempt to mislead by using inapplicable evidence.

Droideka has tried to use all this bogus reasoning that convertees can't usually make the night kill. Anyone who's ever been in a cult or mafia with a converting power can tell you that's wrong.

Droideka has been trying to paint me as protecting Shanks when it's obvious that my only motive is to get him lynched today.

I am the only person in this game who has claimed any sort of protective role. How likely do you think it is that a 17 player game has no protective role at all?

This should be cut and dried.

Frankly, the protective role thing doesn't work for you, since there's a roleblocker mason, which is kind of a recompensation for the lack of a doctor. I trust your watcher role more than that one-shot isolator.

Anyway, I will do this one more time.
Noodle, Blatant, and Shanks are not the killer. That leaves Droid, Julius, and me. Remove me, since Julius accused Droid of killing Czech, and he denied it, so one of them must be lying as they can't both be telling the truth.

Now, we've a 1/2 chance of catching scum.
For Droid, just look at Julius's list above. O, and he looks pretty desperate.
For Julius, I don't think he's scum trying to fool us with fake results. There are much better targets than Droid, namely me and Shanks (or even Blatant). No need to go in depth with Shanks, but I led the lynch (kinda) on dsmi, did I not? I am one of the VTs and basically did nothing the entire game, which means I cannot use anything to defend myself if accused (Not that the Sir Wulf incident is any useful to Droid). Methinks I make a better target than Droid. I mean, what can I say, beside, "No, I didn't." And if you choose to trust a VT over a Watcher, I don't know what's wrong with you.

Frankly, the protective role thing doesn't work for you, since there's a roleblocker mason, which is kind of a recompensation for the lack of a doctor.

Actually that's a valid point. But I would still find it odd that there wasn't a bona fide protective role. Roleblocking does reduce the number of deaths, but it's significantly different (offensive rather than defensive). I guess it's not my most powerful argument though.

Comon, guys, lynch Droid and get this game over with D:

Ah well, screw it.

Vote: Droid

So um, Julius, was you scum?

Droideka was the chosen target but it was not unaninmous. Much convincing was required but in the end he had to die. He would not stop screaming as they dragged him to meet his maker.

"You're making a mistake! Don't be fools!"

His neck snapped with ease. Perhaps it was the cold.

Droideka_11, a picketer, has been lynched. He won with the town.

It is now NIGHT SEVEN.

Please send your night actions to the host as soon as possible. Night will last a maximum of 48 hours, with a degree of leniency.

---

Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me.
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the sky from me...

So um, Julius, was you scum?

Looks that way.

*sigh* So it was Julius and Shanks then...

Why do you continue to insist on blaming me?...

I think this is my fault D:
Well, this is what I get for being an inactive.
I be sorry, DragonQ, for playing horridly.

I would mostly blame Droideka if I were you. He could have argued against me much harder than he did, when he was the only townie who knew for sure I was lying. There was plenty of evidence against me that was never brought up, like desperately defending Heir on Day 2. Instead all these bogus arguments were raised like the roleblocking one, which were pretty easy to shoot down (after all I had deliberately chosen not to act that night). And then he shot himself in the foot over my original claim.

Quoted from Shanks:

Why do you continue to insist on blaming me?...

Well, if I'm confirmed by Vampiric, Bub practically quoted his mail, Julius admitted he's scum and Blatant has to be town otherwise the game would be over (i.e his faith roleblock is the only thing preventing the Scientologist kill) then surely it has to be you?

Blatant7 donned his camouflage gear after deciding this situation demanded a serious response. Whilst checking his cool factor in the mirror before leaving, he got an anonymous message on his mobile reading "just saw Julius at the church". Perfect, he thought. He got in his ridiculously expensive but suspiciously quiet Land Rover and began the five minute journey to the abandoned church. The situation was indeed serious but that did not mean he could not enjoy his night-time activities, so he played his Abba CD on the way.

He parked up far enough away from the church so that he could not have been heard. All those weeks of stealth training were about to come in handy as he took quite a while to crawl to an open side window. He slithered in and was delighted to see Julius threatening a figure he couldn't make out in the corner. He applied his ninja skills perfectly as he skipped and leaped across the benches, jumped on Julius' back and disarmed him, all in under a second.

"You were warned to expect us!", he proclaimed. Julius was quivering in fear. However, as Blatant turned him over, the crying turned into laughing.

"You fool!", he blurted. Blatant glanced at the knife he was now brandishing. It was rubber. He shone his torch towards the corner to reveal the dark figure as a scarecrow dressed as a pirate. Julius' manic outburst continued:

"Looks like you picked the wrong dude, man, mwahahahaha! You're too late, Dr. Noodlestein is already dead bahahahaaha!"

Blatant did not say a word, instead staring at the scarecrow, blaming himself for the miscalculation that had cost his friend's life and, most likely, his own.

NomadicNoodle, a picketer, has been declared missing. He won with the town.

GAME OVER. The Scientologists are victorious!

---

Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me.
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the sky from me...

[This message has been edited by DragonQ (edited 12-27-2009 @ 07:08 PM).]

Well, aside from the loss I greatly enjoyed this game - I liked the roles used, notably Phaethon's.

Inactivity damaged it towards the end (though that was general of HG Main, not specifically this game) and it was somewhat frustrating to lose despite practically having the game in the bag near the beginning.

You're lucky you guys killed me when you did. I totally called Julius. I didn't say it, and I regret that. Pretty sure I hinted it in my day three posts when my suspicion grew the most. When I was killed, I knew for sure he was scum.

As for Shanks, I didn't have any idea. He was quite willing to lynch Wulf, which was a very good move for the scientologists. Likely if Julius was caught, Shanks would be easily catchable as noted, he was the only one who could be scum if not Blatant.

To Blatant: It was obvious Shanks was going to make the kill. Julius admitting he's scum? A very mean spirited attempt to draw the fire at night. That wasn't good play Julius, if I were in DQ's position I'd change Blatant's roleblock to Shanks and let faith decide your fate.

To Henrz: Like I say in every post-game, play better! I'll make it simple, FIGHT to live regardless of alignment. Too often I see you lynched as town, what the heck?! You're a liability to play with, scum can easily push lynches on you. Heck, if I absolutely needed to I could push a lynch on you with no effort at all. That isn't right.

I do admit that you did a great job pushing a lynch on Droid, Julius. I just didn't like the rule breaking to put yourself ahead of the town.

Also, other than Julius getting Droid lynched Shanks definitely played the best scum game. Overall I'd place him above Julius. I can't say you guys deserve the win, because we don't know how it really would of turned out. Don't expect congratulations.


Droid can we has day in Matrix and Ridgevale, please?

[This message has been edited by Xzyiothe (edited 12-27-2009 @ 07:29 PM).]

For clarification, Julius was my convertee. I was hoping I'd be investigated because IIRC, I was a ghost and would be confirmed then.

L. Ron Hubbard (Shanks13)
Team: Mafia.
Group: Scientologists.
Group Powers: Can kidnap one player each night. If successful, that player will be out of the game unless they are found at a later stage.
Powers: Iron.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: Can recruit one player during any night, converting them to the Scientologists. The converted player loses any abilities and powers they may have had.

Tom Cruise (Kyle Santos)
Team: Mafia.
Group: Scientologists.
Group Powers: Can kidnap one player each night. If successful, that player will be out of the game unless they are found at a later stage.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: Can permanently change one player's vote for the current day. That person must have already voted in the current day.

Katie Holmes (Heir of Elessar)
Team: Mafia.
Group: Scientologists.
Group Powers: Can kidnap one player each night. If successful, that player will be out of the game unless they are found at a later stage.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: Appears as a non-Scientologist if investigated for the first time.

John Travolta (Sir Wulf)
Team: Mafia.
Group: Scientologists.
Group Powers: Can kidnap one player each night. If successful, that player will be out of the game unless they are found at a later stage.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: Can frame a non-Scientologist during any night. That player appears as a Scientologist if they are investigated in the current night.

Anonymous Hacker #1 (Blatant7)
Team: Town.
Group: Anonymous Hackers (mason group).
Group Powers: Roleblock. If either Anonymous Hacker dies, the remaining Anonymous Hacker has a 50% chance of their roleblocks failing.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: Cannot be converted by the Scientologists.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: None.

Anonymous Hacker #2 (EnemyofJupitor)
Team: Town.
Group: Anonymous Hackers (mason group).
Group Powers: Roleblock. If either Anonymous Hacker dies, the remaining Anonymous Hacker has a 50% chance of their roleblocks failing.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: Cannot be converted by the Scientologists.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: None.

Mark Bunker (Phaethon180)
Team: Town.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: Can "find" one "missing" player at any time during the game. However, Mark Bunker must immediately go into hiding (i.e. be declared "missing") after using this ability.

Patroling Policeman (vampiric canniba)
Team: Town.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: Can investigate one player per night to discover whether they are a Scientologist or not.
1 Shot Abilities: None.

Scientologist Infiltrator (dsmi1)
Team: Town.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: Is told when a player has been converted by the Scientologists and when a Scientologist has been enlightened. However, the Scientologist Infiltrator is not told which events they receive information about, just that they will receive information about the Scientologists.
Hidden Powers: Appears as a Scientologist when investigated.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: None.

Detective Chief Inspector (Julius999)
Team: Town.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: Can spy on one player per night. If that player is declared missing, they learn who targeted them during that night.
1 Shot Abilities: Can hire police protection for a player during one night. That player is unaffected by any other actions targeted at them that night.

Lead Picketer / Picketer #1 (Czech Centurian)
Team: Town.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: Votes count twice (i.e. is noble).
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: None.

Picketer #2 (Henrz)
Team: Town.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: None.

Picketer #3 (Beelzebub)
Team: Town.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: None.

Picketer #4 (NomadicNoodle)
Team: Town.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: None.

Picketer #5 (Droideka_11)
Team: Town.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: None.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: None.

Ghost of Lisa McPherson (theferret)
Team: Town.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: None.
Hidden Powers: Cannot be converted by the Scientologists.
Abilities: None.
1 Shot Abilities: Can enlighten one Scientologist during the night, which causes them to win with the town. If a non-Scientologist is targeted, nothing happens. Neither the target or Lisa McPherson are told anything.

Easily Distracted Insane Scientologist Serial Killer (Ashrzr)
Team: Third Party.
Group: None.
Group Powers: None.
Powers: The first person to target this player during each night is killed.
Hidden Powers: Cannot be converted by the Scientologists. If lynched, the player casting the deciding vote is killed.
Abilities: Can kill one player each night if not targeted by any other player.
1 Shot Abilities: None.

Night 0

NOTE: The Scientologists were allowed to kidnap a player on this night. No other actions were permitted.

Kyle Santos kidnaps Ashrzr

Ashrzr kills Kyle Santos in retaliation

Day 1

Sir Wulf is lynched

Night 1

Heir of Elessar kidnaps theferret (blocked)

Blatant7 blocks Heir of Elessar

Shanks13 converts Julius999 (success)

dsmi1 is told that someone has been converted to the Scientologist Movement

vampiric canniba investigates Xzyiothe (not Scientologist)

Julius999 spies on Phaethon180

Day 2

Heir of Elessar is lynched

Night 2

Shanks13 kidnaps Xzyiothe

vampiric canniba investigates Phaethon180 (not Scientologist)

Xzyiothe blocks Phaethon180

Day 3

Phaethon180 finds Xzyiothe

Henrz is lynched

Night 3

Julius999 kidnaps Xzyiothe

vampiric canniba investigates NomadicNoodle (not Scientologist)

Day 4

theferret is lynched

Night 4

Julius999 kidnaps vampiric canniba

vampiric canniba investigates dsmi1 (Scientologist)

Blatant7 blocks Shanks13 (success)

Day 5

NOTE: No lynch because of inactivity.

Night 5

Shanks13 kidnaps no-one

Blatant7 blocks Shanks13 (failure)

Day 6

dsmi1 is lynched

Night 6

Julius999 kidnaps Czech Centurian

Day 7

Droideka_11 is lynched

Night 7

Shanks13 kidnaps NomadicNoodle

Blatant7 blocks Julius999 (failure)

---

Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me.
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the sky from me...

[This message has been edited by DragonQ (edited 12-27-2009 @ 08:14 PM).]

In review, I'm amazed the town didn't win. Within the first two days, four enemies were taken out, without a single town loss, save for my conversion of Julius.

Great job, scum! Seriously, how did the town not win?

For clarification, Julius was my convertee.

And my idea. I knew he was the best player you could possibly have on your side. Sadly, that's the only bit of credit I can take from this game...

Nice game DragonQ!

Quoted from Heir:

Great job, scum! Seriously, how did the town not win?

I honestly don't know. Serious props to Shanks and Julius for pulling victory from defeat, though.

Wow. When I was converted I really did not think we had a chance of pulling that out of the bag.

I liked this game, and I thought the setup was pretty good, especially some of the roles like my original one. However, in my opinion the setup was very tough for the town, and I think the Scientologists probably were a bit over-powered. It was only because of an incredible series of coincidences that they managed to gain the upper hand so convincingly (the lynch of Wulf was a great call though).

Quoted from Xzyiothe:

You're lucky you guys killed me when you did. I totally called Julius. I didn't say it, and I regret that. Pretty sure I hinted it in my day three posts when my suspicion grew the most. When I was killed, I knew for sure he was scum.

Why do you think we killed you then? It was pretty clear you were going to be a big problem the next day (you did hint it). Also we wanted to give the impression that the scum were after the Masons, which would draw protective roles to them, leaving the Cop vulnerable. Finally, when you were revived you were basically confirmed town so you had to be killed off as soon as possible. It was hardly "lucky".

I did completely give myself away by defending Heir though. At the time I thought that if we lost Heir we'd lost the game, so it was worth the risk. Fortunately for us the town dropped the ball and never really chased me up for it.

Quoted from Xzyiothe:

Julius admitting he's scum? A very mean spirited attempt to draw the fire at night. That wasn't good play Julius, if I were in DQ's position I'd change Blatant's roleblock to Shanks and let faith decide your fate.

What? All's fair in love and war. This is a game of lying and deception... and besides, it was pretty obvious I was scum when Droid turned up town.

Technically I broke the rule about not posting in the night, but then if I were to be punished for that then so would pretty much everyone else in the entire game. The mod apparently chose to use his discretion with that rule.

[This message has been edited by Julius999 (edited 12-28-2009 @ 07:43 AM).]

Good game guys. I was really suspecting Julius towards the end. And I would have posted about it had I not been kidnapped.

I should elaborate, I didn't like you admitting you're scum as arrogant as you did it during the night phase. Getting Droid lynched on fake results is fine, and I complimented you on that. You went too far when you attempted to draw fire when the game already made it to night.

At least with the results one could argue some sort of redirector, heck, with a watcher a sanity is a tough push, but still decent. There were ways to fight it the next day but you deliberately admitted you were scum, quite arrogantly, in a not entirely subtle, but still effective manner to get the roleblock.

When you broke the rules you no longer won by skill, you won by rule breaking and a 50% chance. That isn't right, or just deception.

I don't accept that at all. Noodle for example was happy to post during night, naming my scum partner. Previously, Droideka and vampiric had also posted at night without punishment. Right at the start of the game at least one townie basically broke the email quoting rule.

It was apparent that DragonQ was being lenient (nothing unusual) in interpreting the posting during night rule. He was entitled to do so, like when he changed his mind about enforcing the vote formatting rule. Drawing fire in the way I did was totally legitimate, arrogant or not. Why should I withold my alignment when it's in my interest to reveal it and there's nothing stopping me? I don't complain that the town lynched Wulf based on shameless meta-gaming.

We may just have to agree to differ on this.

a 50% chance

Technically a 25% chance, as Blatant was faith... .5 probability of getting the right guy, .5 probability of success -> .5(.5) = .25

If the faith was successful I'd really expect the block to be granted regardless of who it was used against. Maybe DQ is that lenient. Maybe he isn't. But Julius is admitting what he did, and no it's different from Noodle saying Shanks is scum after you already admitted you are scum, Julius. Two wrongs don't make a right. And Noodle could easily of been scum (was still slightly possible with a ghost, which oddly enough was actually Shanks) and be pushing the focus on his self outted scumbuddy and the guy with no investigation on him.

Completely different.

Not quite Xzy, we actually had to choose which of us did the kidnapping each night.