Granted I was a few levels higher than him but it was my first game back. :P

In other news, pike, skirm, and hussar combo is awesome.

[This message has been edited by Syncope (edited 08-16-2006 @ 09:58 PM).]

My only gripe is how you say it's only food and gold related. Unfortunetly a strategy cannot exclude wood from the strategy due to housing. For all other civs besides dutch and ottos, it can't exclude food, and for every civ but dutch, a strategy can exclude gold

for housing,

you startt with 100~200,

you get 200 for house upon hitting age2,

your 2nd shipment is 700w, 300 of which is to spend on housing.

a pop cap of 70 is all you need to win a rush.

Joe , old fcuk was posted in this forum, so i ported this one here too.

Syncope, nice

The economy of a 20 vil russian colonial except 2 minutes earlier :P

Germany or spain can ship one card and get on the same econ level as you though

Its a nice strat, it just doesnt seem fast enough, i dont know, if i were playing against this, i would lose only if i left my peasants out where you could find them

FCUK haha

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Not fast enough? You do realise that the Dutch have one of the fastest colonial times possible and that this strat attacks as soon as your first colonial card arrives.

@garlock, me is lvl 36, i just beaten a lvl 38 otto in a 1v1. (hc lvl me vs him = 101 vs 106).
But to be honest, i beat him because his strat was a bit too obvious. Patagonia, deck without factories, all ship shipments and many age2 resourse shipments. His ships meet my outposts and ships, his jans my skirms, and his abus came too late and got killed by my skirms that outnumbered them when the abus came.

I gotta age faster probably to be able to deal with early Otto rush

[This message has been edited by ub3r (edited 08-17-2006 @ 01:27 PM).]

1, not making as TP at the start of the game, save all his wood + aging wood for foundry + barrack + houses, 5 jans as first age2 shipment - this gives fastest initial abus + jan hit, the down side is slower shipments, but if you are able to make lots of units and keep killing opponent's unit, then it is OK.

2, make a TP, make barrack + foundry with the aging wood, but have to chop wood for houses, 5 jan as first card, potentially one will have to chop 200~300wood - chopping that much wood is somewhat slow.

3, make a tp and ship 700w as first card, use it towards founrdry + more TP - but you miss out on 5 jans shipment, your initial hit is weaker.

4, make a TP and not make a barrack, this way they dont have to chop wood and can make barrack once 700 wood arrives, but that will be his 3rd shipment!, before then his abus solely rely on 5 shipped jans for protection, if these jans die, then his abus will all die from your hussars.

as you can see, none of above options really gives ottoman more firepower by the time your attack starts, against your 5 skirms with 5 more coming and 3 hussars, he may have 5~10 jans + 3~4 abus gun at the most, and after every enaagement, you will have non-stop unit coming out of barrack but he will run out of breath very quickly.

which is why a lot of ottoman uses only jan at the start, and only get abus about 6~7 minutes into the game.

You should hunt to send huntables towards the mine that you will use. That makes for a quick transistion from gold->food when you hit colonial.

this recording was against a 2230 player, who is also a forumer here, there was some lag and i did a crappy micro job.

i also have a rec of this strat being beaten by a faster and tighter dutch rush, 3:50 colonial with 15 vils and no banks. but i wont bother post that as that was more of a failure of my gameplay rather than the strat

[This message has been edited by ultimitsu (edited 08-19-2006 @ 01:22 AM).]

Thank YOU for the guides.

20.5 villagers is extremely impressive, but I think you may not be understanding that it may be smart to skip a bank early on if you wish to rush him effectvely. 4:10 with barely enough res for a villager isn't great, but if it works for you, go for it!

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7 age2 cards was already very age2 orientated for me

in any case, dutch's eco is very good and grows very fast, imo you dont need more res cards than these 4, in fact if it werent for versatility of doing a 4 bank 8:00 FF with this deck, i would replace 700f with 4 vils.

dutch rush is not as powerful as ottoman rush, my strat does not intent to go all out and finish them off in age2, sometimes you cant stop them from turtle very hard and make it into age3, so having some age3 and age4 card yourself is very important.

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not building a bank allows a faster barrack and fast rush for sure, but problem is not being ablw to keep it going unless you catch opp completely off guard that he has to wait for a minute or so to get some defence.