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I thought that was Agents pre 1.1?

anyways, looks good, i'll need to try this sometime; been slowly leveling my french

since you have a market already, you could also research the villy improvements against a rush; that way he can't kill your CdB, not easily anyways

I've been doing EXACTLY this with my frenchies for some time now.

With one exception: I usually used 700W instead of economic theory. I guess 700W is better for lazy guys like me who like having no housing problems doe some time .

But I can see where you are coming from and guess E.T. (lol) is probably a better choice. I'll test it.

PS: vs other FFs I recommend using 400W guy over 500F so you can get a TP inbetween. Will slow you down a bit but will make your shipments come faster.

Vs Rushes this isnt too bad especially since 6 skirms kill any rushing siege units. Add MM, maybe even 8 xbows instead of e.t. and some market upgraded cdbs and its gg rush. (use the garrison-ungarrison trick with your cdbs for greatest sucess)

Once in fortress, cuirs+skirms will crush (almost) any age2 combo unless you are HEAVILY outnumbered.

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Where did all those 31 vils come from??

You said you age with 14 vils, and then on age 2, you queued 3 vils, and shipped in another 4. That leaves you with only 21!

I think its a typing mistake?

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You also researched market techs and shipped economic theory, plus the automatic French economic growth bonus, 5%. In total that will make your CdB work 20% quicker, and we can't forget that CdB work 25% faster than normal vils. So effectively you have a 26.25Cdb/30.45Villager economy.

I just saw a rec of starsky vs ruthless, where they both did almost exactly the same thing, except they used 400 wood instead of the food.

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humm...I got it now, thanks!

But I think it´s not clear enough in the original thread, sry.

Liked this strat, I´m sure to try it out!

I'm not bumping anything

Did you get that rec out?

:O You are right!

I'm sorry for forgetting, it's a bit late now and tomorow will be busy.
Let me see if I can at least get a demonstration against a computer completed tonight.

I added game vs AI which is pretty good for showin strat, and game vs stophon4 although it strays from the strat after a while.

ive tried this,
i is bad against an enemy that makes outposts till you get those those 2 falcs. then its gg.
Also, the choice for the fortress does not include the cavavrly scout. This stategy cannot be followed strictly. All the stable and houses cannot be made without some woodchoppers. You have to addapt to the game.
I like this strategy though, it owns.

Looks like a nice solid FF. I never really thought about using economic theory.

This is a good strat vs everyone but dutch/spanish/iro. Its also a very good strat on texas cuz the extra defenses and rax give you time for your eco advantage to kick in vs card spam. I'll have to try it out with ET instead of 700 wood, I usually use that for the houses/rax/stable/or tp that i need.

ET compliments the French because it's an investment card, or in other words it can heavily pay off but takes some time. France has the ability to repel attacks and therefore remain alive longer therefore increasing their chances of bolstering their already stronger-than-normal economy.

Against a civ like Iro, I'm honestly clueless as I think I've only had one or two of these situations. My guess would be a delayed pike+xbow rush (pikes first to get TC down, xbows if he hits age3 for FP). Dutch just requires xbow rush, either one barracks or two, usually the faster and stronger it hits, the better. Spain is real rough too, as cuirs, your "star" unit becomes useless thanks to rods and pikes being spammed from shipments. Goons with micro are most likely your best friend, combined with your 2 falc shimpent and some skirms. I find games vs Spain as French the hardest overall.

Thanks for the feedback and comments

This looks good, I'm turning to my french hc for a while after I got annoyed at all my losses simply because of aztecs upness so I'm going to french until they get boosted. So this looks good to try out.

One thing I'd like to know is were your getting all this wood for your upgrades stables and houses with only 4 cdb on wood for a short time, which is supposdly after you've built them.

p.s. I'm clueless against iro as any civ, any enlightenment anyone can give me would be welcomed

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Just tried the strat (on vanilla though), 2v2. I'm French, my teammate is Ottoman and the badguys are French and Ottoman. My teammate sucked so by the time he had 5 jans the other ottoman came running with 20. His town got whiped quite quick but he came over to me with a bunch of villagers. I had time to make a bunch of skirmishers while his town went down + some cuirs for their skirmishers - with a little micro they went down quick.

Awesome strat, it worked well - we won the game in the end. ;D

Just a question though: Everyone here seems to be playing TWC so I guess that's what this strat is for as well. Economic Theory, is that the same as Northwestern Passage or something? It makes CdB 20% faster.

Economic Theory makes all your vills and fishing boats gather 10% faster

Ah that's a shame. Is it TWC? ..I gotta buy that expansion soon.

Economic Theory is TWC only, yes.

Can someone answer my question please.

After I've gathered the gold crates for Fortress I switch the gold miners over to wood to get the wood I need at least.

It's actually possible to leave only 3 CdB on wood and have enough wood plus a bit extra for a stable by the time you hit age3.

Knowns:

Age3 up time is 110 seconds.
1 CdB with ET gathers .682 wood/s.
A Stable costs 200 wood.

As from my gathering guide, you take the cost of the item, divided by the respective gather rate, in this case .682. That will grant you the raw amount of villagers per second it will take to gather that amount of resources. You can then divide by a time (seconds) or villagers to determine the other unknown. With that known:

200/.682 = 293.3
293.3/4 = 73.3

So it will require 73.3 seconds of 4 CdB's gathering wood with ET to gather 200 wood. Since 73.3 is obviously less than 110, you'll easily have enough wood for a stable before you hit age3, assuming perfect micro and no idle time. This is unrealistic so that's why I say use 4 CdB instead of 3 (which requires 97.7 seconds), because 3 would only leave you with ~ 10 seconds to mess up or for idle time. In addition, you will need houses too so its good to have that extra wood.

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In this build order you build, 3 houses, market, stable and research upgrades costing 125 wood. All together thats 625 wood to build with starting wood and the 200 gathered while aging.

But you build the market and research those upgrades during age up to age2, not 3. And the market is not necesary, mainly because if it delays your strategy too much to the point where it could gamble your chances of success, forget it. Or, ship 700 wood instead of ET. This is just a set of guidelines for suggestions, you must adapt it to your own play style and game situation.

Having three houses by the time you hit age3 isn't necesary either, as long as you have at least one to cover the age up units and CdB population, you can continue building more later as your population expands and you require it.

You ARE right about when I say to build houses in the guide, so I changed that and edited it a bit to account for the 1.03 changes

Ok thanks for that, theres another way to do it I saw yesterday, I watched a rec of ourk vs dzemzil tactic yesterday (I hated watching the end as poor demzil deserved to win but he was playing aztec so he lost) what he did was put 2 cdb on wood once he clicked age up to col and kept them there for a good while using them to gather the crates etc.

Yes

I'm somewhat suprised this thread hasn't generated more activity, as this is a very comparable basis for the strategy many experts are using with French now.