Things like this, and hiding your triggers are really dumb. All it does is limit maps that could be made. I always name my triggers right, and add in descriptions so that people can view my triggers and learn how to do things if they wish. Honestly what are you trying to protect by doing this? Killing off scenario design..

There are a lot of people on the net that pass off the works of other designers as their own.

[This message has been edited by Watson (edited 11-03-2011 @ 10:41 AM).]

Anyone who wants to will just go into Trigger Studio and remove that trigger. Totally pointless.

If someone plagiarises your scenario, and submits it to the blacksmith, just post a comment saying it's plagiarised.

But on things like Gameranger it's not so easy to tell everyone... You don't want all your effort to be wasted when someone adds 1 trigger with 'Change object name' and they alter the description a bit.

@Pong676, it's just 1 effect that u can put anywhere, finding a randomly placing a unknown 31 effect in a scenario would be like a needle in a hay stack. And one thing i'm concerned about is someone looking at the triggers on my map, they reset, then the person hosts the map online with faulty triggers, this would help to prevent that from happening.

[This message has been edited by Nixck (edited 07-29-2011 @ 05:09 AM).]

But there is sure something called trial and error which anyone might use to find out that trigger though it is a pin in a haystack...but anyway thanks for sharing this map protection.
Also i have this habit of checking the triggers of many maps... to just learn from them.

Nice discovery, though most "map stealers" use TS, so they'll easily find the effect and delete it

Unless you burn the triggers.

That won't prevent them

people that would go through the effort of stealing your work can still do it. People simply trying to learn triggers are just going to get discouraged if every map they open crashes when they try to load triggers. I know that I learned a lot by trail and error, but some more advanced things I could only learn by viewing triggers to build up my knowledge until I could figure things out for myself. I think it comes down to your personal pride of your map, and the fear of someone taking it away from you. Personally I don't attach myself to virtual things. I'm not saying that I'm not an aok fan, I'm one of the biggest, I just try to not let it affect my personal life in a negative way.

I usually have some info written in the first trigger of a scenario with some contact info like my mailadress or GR account nickname.

It's still sad that people actually try to claim scenarios as their own if they didn't do anything on the map at all

I'm not for or against map protection, I too learned a lot from looking at other peoples maps. This is just something I discovered a while ago, take it or leave it.

Actually, you can circumvent this pretty easily with Trigger Script Editor:

http://aok.heavengames.com/blacksmith/showfile.php?fileid=10278

Just export the scenario to a text file, then search for "Unknown" in the file and delete the trigger.

That should work as long as TSE displays the effect type correctly.

It's still sad that people actually try to claim scenarios as their own if they didn't do anything on the map at all

*Cough* Snake TD *Cough*

hope you get banned again.

Most people don't know of TSE, luckily

hope you get banned again.

hope you get banned again.

hope you get banned again

Who are you guys talking to?

stroke, he's annoying..

He playtested Basse's snake TD map and claimed it was his own...

Actually no, it was in beta state and I accidentally played it in public.

Slap an unknown 31 + trigger burn on your map when you have people beta test it next time?

[This message has been edited by Nixck (edited 08-01-2011 @ 03:42 PM).]

Stroke, we both know you're lying. Snake TD isn't my only map that got stolen though

PS @ donnieboy's first post, i'm HARDLY killing off scenario design, That actually offends me considering I can make scenarios so advanced you couldn't even attempt to comprehend, trust that i've been doing this longer then you. if more people could understand my double negative effect system and how it unveils new, before unfathomable tricks in aoktc they would realize its more innovative then 90% of the stuff on here

I help the forum perform new feats in aok with my discoveries and yet get shot down? Sounds like killing off the person who helps designers don't you agree?
Jeez, I liked this forum A LOT more back in '06.

[This message has been edited by Nixck (edited 08-01-2011 @ 04:43 PM).]

yeah it was an over exaggeration, but still my point stays the same, it's a bad move if you're looking to promote scenario designers, good move if you're looking after your self interests and pride of work.

With that, this pretty much is only for people who take extreme pride in their map or beta testing i guess but I think people are taking this too seriously, all it does is crash the game ..?


EDIT, now i remember why i found this useful a while ago, dumb me.. but most of my maps have 50% of the effects/conditions reset on touch so i can just put in this effect and prevent that entirely

[This message has been edited by Nixck (edited 08-01-2011 @ 05:37 PM).]

To me, this feature seems like putting permanent locks on the doors and windows of a house. They're quite useful, but a determined thief will find ways to break in. If you want your scenario to be protected from any thieves like a safe, then it's a great step. If you want people to be able to learn from your scenario like a museum, then don't use it. I personally fit into the latter camp, but I find this useful nonetheless.

[This message has been edited by Leif Ericson (edited 08-02-2011 @ 02:22 AM).]

I've tried doing your double-negative thing in Aokts. But whenever I try and save the map it just crashes, do you have to use the one with the add-on or am I going about it wrong?

I would need a little more explanation alevo, maybe send a private message?

That's about it really...
I'll make an arrow in editor, go into aokts and change it to an archer then when I try and save it just crashes :/

PS @ donnieboy's first post, i'm HARDLY killing off scenario design, That actually offends me considering I can make scenarios so advanced you couldn't even attempt to comprehend, trust that i've been doing this longer then you. if more people could understand my double negative effect system and how it unveils new, before unfathomable tricks in aoktc they would realize its more innovative then 90% of the stuff on here

I help the forum perform new feats in aok with my discoveries and yet get shot down? Sounds like killing off the person who helps designers don't you agree?
Jeez, I liked this forum A LOT more back in '06.

This struck me as an arrogant and conceited, two characteristics which are not admirable. If it's just a matter of language lost in translation, ok. However, if it really was meant as it came across then get over yourself; you're a guppy in a fishbowl.

As for the trigger, I find it unnecessary really. If you don't want anyone to copy your scenario triggers or maps, don't release them for others to use. However, if you're vain and feel the need to have others see and praise your work, just remember that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. If they claim them as their own, see the above comment about guppies in a fishbowl.

[This message has been edited by prof1515 (edited 08-02-2011 @ 01:45 PM).]

@prof1515: You have no idea how it feels to "lose" a map to someone completely random person. You did all the hard work, spend hours to design the map and even more hours to trigger it, and then someone steals it from you. Saying it's all his work and that you are just a lier. It ain't that fun, trust me

@alevo that might be a problem with aokts and not the double negative effect, i would download the aokts with addon as it might help. If it doesn't it might be your comp