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THYMOLE
Squire

posted 12-12-15 07:33 PM CT (US)

Disappointment
The year is 2049

The ship has launched! Game End!

Current Elysium Vote
(To be updated and checked for a majority every two days)
Launch - 2 (Popey, Excel)
Don't Launch - 1 (Moff)

Global Climate Vitality - 0% Remaining
Currently declining at a rate of 18.19%, and not growing.

Earth has collapsed under the weight of pollution!

The city sits on the northeast coast with a population of 17,242,013. Capacity is capped at 18,381,000 Comfortable Surplus

Current Discontent Generation of 5% per 200,000 rounded down - 0%

Civil Discontent: (60%)
Plus 3 to Danger Dice Rolls

Utopia Status
Complete Components:
Base structure
Wide Area Scanning - Carol
Centripetal Gravity Ring - Popey
Liquid Radiation Barrier - Popey
Residential Module x 2 (Popey/Moff/Carol)
Human Capacity: 1,500,000
Shippu Girl Jazz Music - Moff

Biodomes (5/5) - Carol {All Ecosystems Achieved!}

Investment Standings:
Moff: 19 (+90)
Popey: 20 (+20)

International Relations:
The Germans - 58% - Positive

Dice Rolls generate (roll-1)*5 of token completion. 1s generate no benefit and cause damage (see deadly dice). 20s complete. Token entirely. Tokens are arranged in the most advantageous manner. So if you roll a 7, a 9, and a 15: the 7 and 15 generate 30% and 70% respectively, so they will go together and fill an empty slot. The nine generates 40% ((9-1)*5)

With one token being a simple one token spend to fix, no dice required, unless severe repeated rolls hurt you (improbable).
Chance of bad thing when supporting: 10% * 66% = 7%.
Chance of multiple bad things = 10% * 18% * 66 = ~1%

Construction failures will be run on the "deadly dice"
1-5: Nothing
6-11: Most complete component is destroyed
12-16: Top two most complete components are destroyed
17: Top three most complete components are destroyed
18: Entire Project destroyed
19-20: Disaster

Primary city actors:
CarolKarine: Representative of the city's primary economic driver, Kaiser Industrial (a fashion industry)

Moff: Representative of the city's second big business entity, Der Panzer Shafts (engineering)

Popey: Representative of Splash Spam Enterprises

Elder Terrier: Representative of Small Business

Excelsior: Representative of ~~Organized Crime~~ Stradiot Investment Group

Factors of Production (pending token balances):
Der Panzer - Moff - 0
Kaiser Industrial - Carol - 21
Splash-Spam Enterprises - Popey - 0
Stradiot Investment Group - Excel - 18
Small Business - ET - 20

City Infrastructure:

Completed:
(Starting Freebie Housing of 4,000)
(Mole's Error Bonus: 200,000)
Tier 1 Beautification - Lurkur
The Forlorn Hope Medical Centr�- Popey
Public School - Carol
Low Level Housing 1 (6,000 people) - Dementor
Low Level Housing 2 (8,000 people) - Carol (Dementor)
Low Level Housing 3 (12,000 people) - Moff (ET)
Low Level Housing 4 (17,000 people) "Saxton Road" - ET (Popey)
Low Level Housing 5 "The Pits of Despair" (17,000 people) - Popey (Dementor)
Low Level Housing 6 (25,000 people) - Carol (Dementor, Chud)
Low Level Housing 7 (35,000 people) - Dementor
Lower Level Housing 8 (50,000 people) - Chud
Lower Level Housing 9 (50,000 people) - Dementor
Lower Level Housing 10 (50,000 people) - Chud
Low Level Housing 11 (76,000 people) - Dementor (Mith)
Low Level Housing 12 (92,000 people) - Excel
Low Level Housing 13 (120,000 people) - Mith
Low Level Housing 14 "Skid Row" (150,000 people) - Popey
Low Level Housing 15 (150,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 16 (150,000 people) - Chud
Low Level Housing 17 (150,000 people) - Chud
Low Level Housing 18 (150,000 people) - Chud
Low Level Housing 19 (150,000 people) - Chud
Low Level Housing 20 (150,000 people) - Chud
Low Level Housing 21 (160,000 people) - Chud
Low Level Housing 22 (160,000 people) - Chud
Low Level Housing 23 (160,000 people) - Chud
Low Level Housing 24 "Brixton" (230,000 people) - Popey
Low Level Housing 25 (230,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 26 (260,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 27 (270,000 people) - ET
Low Level Hpusing 28 "Basingstoke" (270,000 people) - Popey
Low Level Housing 29 "Toxteth" (280,000 people) - Popey
Low Level Housing 30 "Grimsby" (280,000 people) - Popey
Low Level Housing 31 (330,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 32 (330,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 33 (370,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 34 (370,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 35 (410,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 36 (410,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 37 (420,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 38 (450,000 people) - Excel
Low Level Housing 39 (450,000 people) - Excel
Low Level Housing 40 (450,000 people) - ET
Low Level Housing 41 (450,000 people) - ET
Middle Level Housing 1 (4,000 people) - Lurkur
Middle Level Housing 2 (5,000 people) - Carol
Middle Level Housing 3 (8,000 people) - Carol
Middle Level Housing 4 (21,000 people) - Moff
Middle Level Housong 5 (175,000 people) - Moff
Middle Level Housing 6 (175,000 people) - ET
Middle Level Housing 7 "St. Mary's" (195,000 people) - Popey
Middle Level Housing 8 (220,000 people) - Carol
Middle Level Housing 9 (220,000 people) - Carol
Middle Level Housing 10 (220,000 people) - Carol
Middle Level Housing 11 (220,000 people) - Carol
Middle Level Housing 12 (220,000 people) - ET
Middle Level Housing 13 (220,000 people) - ET
Middle Level Housing 14 (260,000 people) - ET
Middle Level Housing 15 (260,000 people) - ET
Middle Level Housing 16 (300,000 people) - Excel
Middle Level Housing 17 (300,000 people) - Excel
Middle Level Housing 18 (300,000 people) - Excel
Middle Level Housing 19 (305,000 people) - Excel
Middle Level Housing 20 (305,000 people) - Excel
Middle Level Housing 21 (305,000 people) - Moff
Middle Level Housing 22 (310,000 people) - Moff
Middle Level Housing 23 (310,000 people) - Excel
Upper Level Housing 1 (10,000 people) - Lurkur
Upper Level Housing 2 (12,000 people) - Moff
Upper Level Housing 3 (40,000 people) - ET
Upper Level Housing 4 (60,000 people) - Moff
Upper Level Housing 5 (90,000 people) - Moff
Upper Level Housing 6 (110,000 people) - Lurkur
Upper Level Housong 7 (110,000 people) - ET
Upper Level Housing 8 (115,000 people) - Lurkur
Upper Level Housing 9 (115,000 people) - Lurkur
Upper Level Housing 10 "Aylesbury" (115,000 people) - Popey
Upper Level Housing 11 "Kensington" (119,000 people) - Popey
Upper Level Housing 12 (129,000 people) - ET
Upper Level Housing 13 (129,000 people) - ET
Upper Level Housing 14 (140,000 people) - ET
Upper Level Housing 15 (140,000 people) - ET
Upper Level Housing 16 (200,000 people) - ET
Upper Level Housing 17 (200,000 people) - ET
Slums 1 (30,000 people) - Excel
Slums 2 "Erith" (130,000 people) - Popey
Slums 3 (740,000 people) - ET
Slums 4 (740,000 people) - ET
Slums 5 (820,000 people) - ET
Slums 6 (900,000 people) - ET
Panzerst�rke Coal Power Plant - Moff
Agricultural Supply Chains - Excel
The Bureau of Wish Corruption (Civil Servants) - Popey
Hikan Women's College - Moff
Downfall District Harbor - ET (Excelsior, Carol)
The Daily Shock Printing Press Excel (Chud)
Disappointment Police Department - Moff (Popey)
Rail Lines - Carol
Fire Station - Moff
Sewers - Excel (Popey)
Groundwater Access - Moff (several)
Grocers of Green Things - Popey
Capitalism, Ho! Shopping Center - Popey
The Get On Inn Motel - ET (Chud)
Courthouse - Dementor
Docks - Carol
Casino - Excel
Electrical Grid - Chud (Moff)
University - Lurkur (Carol)
Gas Lines - Excel (Carol)
Radio Tower - Mith (Carol)
Telegram Lines - Excel
Art - ET
Roads leading to places other than Rome - Popey
Shipping Port - Carol
Fair Foundations - Excel
R. Ipoff & Sons (Supermarkets) - Popey
Hospital Full of the Sick and the Dying - Popey
Military Base - Mithril
City Park - Lurkur
Public Transit (Bus/Trolley) - Moff (ET)
Telephone Lines - Excel (Mith/Carol)
Stadium - Chud
Hotel - Lurkur (Excel)
Bank - Excel
Research Labs - Excel
Symphony - Lurkur (ET)
Small Jail - Carol (Moff)
Warehouses full of imported Bacon - Popey
Girls University - Moff
Hydro Electric Dam - Chud
Church - Lurkur
Recruitment Offices - Mith
Beautification Tier 2 - Moff
Subway - ET (Carol)
Federal Depository - ET
Computer - Excel
Movie Theater - Lurkur
Country Club - Lurkur
Airport - Carol
Space Program - Lurkur
Coastguard - Lurkur
Homeless Shelter - Carol
Tech Center - Excel
Stock Exchange - Excel
Scholarship Fund - ET (Carol)
Trade Route Consolidation - Lurkur
Nicoclear Poier Plant - Moff (Popey)
Chum 'n Sons Fish Farms - Popey
Art Museum full of nudie ladies - Popey
Satillites sic - Popey
DNA Research - Excel
Movie Studio - Lurkur
Lasers - Moff
Japanese Embassy - Moff
Mass Textiles - Carol
The Cenotaph (Memorial) - Popey
Heavy Weapons Manufactuary - Moff
Disco - ET
Prison - ET
Missile Site DP-01 "Ancient Storm" - Lurkur
Refugee Center - Lurkur
The Milkyway Avenue (Beautification 3) - Lurkur
Microprocessor Plant - Excel
German Embassy - Moff
Noah's Arcade (Video Games) - Popey
The Internet - Moff
Hadron Collider - Carol
The Disappointing Times (Mass Media) - Popey
Barker and Sons Funeral Directors (Recycling Center) - Popey
Military Academy - ET
Genetic Engineering - Moff (Excel)
Climate Research - Carol
"The Tower of Flies" (Beautification 4) - Lurkur
ATMs - Excel
Intelligence Agency - Excel
Organic Materials - Carol
Global Music Tour - Lurkur
Space Probes from Uranus - Popey
Artificial Intelligence - Excel
Naval Base - Moff
Laser Tank - Moff
Space Station - Moff
Cell Towers - ET
Drones - Excel
Moon Base - Carol
VR Dome - ET
Marijuana Greenhouse (Aeroponic Towers) - Popey
UTOPIA Base Model - Popey
United Nations - Excelsior
Theme Park - ET
Tokamak Reactor - Moff
Designer Genomes - Excel
Space Fountain - Carol
3D Printing - Excel
Mass Desalination Plant - Excel
Beautification - T5 - ET
Support Fleet - Popey
Synthetic Carbon Sinks - Excel
Dream Machine - ET
Virtual Markets - ET
Global Blockchain - ET
Lab Grown Meat - Excel
Atmosphere/Water Synthesis - Popey
Asteroid Mining - Excel
Advanced Material Science - Excel
Clean Global Power - Excel
Synthesized Nutrition - Popey

In Progress:

Mid Level Housing 85%
Peace Conference - ET 100%/100%/0%
Mid Level Housing - ET 40%
Quantum Computers - Excel 95%/100%/25%/0%/0%/0%/0%/0%/0%
EM Shields - Excel 100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/95%/60%

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THYMOLE
Squire

posted 12-21-15 06:23 PM CT (US) 226 / 1871

1 Unit of Excelsior Sabotage = Minus 2 units of Investment and minus 1d10 from two segments

So if Excelsior attacked ET's investment in the harbor, he could effectively remove his entire stake in it so far. Again, any probabilities favor the improvement of the town, so subtracting 2d10 on 40%/100%/10% would likely result in 0%/100%/0% being the current setting. If Excelsior attacks it twice, I will have to run the effects concurrently with what's happening this year.

For a lack of any way to keep a semblance of balance, Excelsior cannot directly sabotage all of small business

However conversations like these will shape the decisions you get in the future.

If Dementor does not show, as he indicated, I will be assuming an investment in Low Level housing as it is mostly in line with his behavior so far.

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Kongou Dess
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)

posted 12-21-15 06:40 PM CT (US) 227 / 1871

If Excel isn't cruel to my projects, will they complete?

And might Excel see the value in befriending the largest industrial concern... as well as the major supporter behind two major civic services? That, perhaps if he focuses his efforts elsewhere... or better still allows the occasional suggestion, he may encounter less resistance from said civic services? <_<

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THYMOLE
Squire

posted 12-21-15 07:06 PM CT (US) 228 / 1871

Successfully supporting an existing infrastructure will require you to get above a 2 in a d20 roll. So odds are quite good that will succeed.

At the moment I believe Popey intends to finish funding the police station, and you are committing two tokens to it (so it will be overfunded by one) and has a high probability of being completed this turn.

The hospital and the girls school could hypothetically be complete if you roll 15 or better for all tokens (30% chance per token... so 9% for a two token project, 3% for a three token project, less than 1% for a four token project)... So I wouldn't exactly bet on it.

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Elder Terrier
Banned

posted 12-21-15 07:25 PM CT (US) 229 / 1871

Well, small consolation: It'll remove the Excelsior Mafia's stake in the harbor, too, so I can re-start from scratch.

One person is going to be disappointed that the harbor isn't going to be finished, though - and he holds considerably more influence than the rest of us (barring only Moff's Der Panzer). I'm surprised, Popeychops, that you didn't see that, considering said industry also employs a good portion of the people you supposedly represent.

And you have the audacity to call me selfish? Fact of the matter is, I have a business to run, plain and simple. Admittedly, the house did consume a bit more time and resources than I thought, but I found out why: It turned out the foreman for that contractor was a high-ranking official in the Excelsior Mafia, so needless to say, I won't be using them again.

At the end of the day, I don't have the funds that the larger companies in town have (I mean, funding a girl's school?). Self-investment has worked for me and it has worked for the town, you cannot deny that. So every turn, I will always invest at least one token on myself and my business. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, because it's evident now that you don't have at least a majority of the people's true interests at heart.

(Nothing personal.

)

Kongou Dess
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)

posted 12-21-15 07:27 PM CT (US) 230 / 1871

Do you oppose having 48.8% of the population educated, my dear Terrier?

THYMOLE
Squire

posted 12-21-15 07:27 PM CT (US) 231 / 1871

Well, small consolation: It'll remove the Excelsior Mafia's stake in the harbor, too, so I can re-start from scratch

It will damage the entire harbor.

It will remove tokens from you.

So stake isn't really the right way to phrase this

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Kongou Dess
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)

posted 12-21-15 07:29 PM CT (US) 232 / 1871

How will we defend ourselves from sea monsters if the harbor is damaged?

Popeychops
"Cool" Huskarl

posted 12-21-15 07:33 PM CT (US) 233 / 1871

ET, you spent the effort it would have taken to build a hospital on your house. I think you're past being able to claim any kind of high ground

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Elder Terrier
Banned

posted 12-21-15 07:37 PM CT (US) 234 / 1871

[meta/]

It will damage the entire harbor.

It will remove tokens from you.

So stake isn't really the right way to phrase this

Um, no. I beg to differ.

Again, any probabilities favor the improvement of the town, so subtracting 2d10 on 40%/100%/10% would likely result in 0%/100%/0% being the current setting.

Based on these die rolls:

Harbor ++ - Excel (9) ET (15, 5)

The 100% is obviously mine. Assuming that the 40% is Excelsior's and the 10% is mine, then based on the figure you gave, it will eliminate not only my 10%, but also Excelsior's 40%.

Now, I assume this:

If Excelsior attacks it twice, I will have to run the effects concurrently with what's happening this year.

Means that the 100% will be affected, too? I which case, then yes, you're right.

Feel free to correct me.

[/end meta]

Elder Terrier
Banned

posted 12-21-15 07:40 PM CT (US) 235 / 1871

Quoted from Popeychops:
ET, you spent the effort it would have taken to build a hospital on your house. I think you're past being able to claim any kind of high ground

Eh, not quite. The hospital requires more than two donations, after all.

But make no mistake, I'm not happy that it took this much to do it, either. And it isn't even finished. I don't even have electricity.

Quoted from Moff:
Do you oppose having 48.8% of the population educated, my dear Terrier?

No. Just saying that it's a bit of a frivolity considering that the city is still lacking in some of its infrastructure - such as, for instance, sewers and housing.

But it's your money. You do what you want with it. Unlike Popeychops, I won't be hammering down your corporate offices with a neighborhood militia armed with pitchforks.

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CarolKarine
Squire

posted 12-21-15 07:40 PM CT (US) 236 / 1871

1 in rail, 3 in harbor, 2 in low level housing 2

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THYMOLE
Squire

posted 12-21-15 07:41 PM CT (US) 237 / 1871

I believe I mentioned somewhere earlier that the dice rolls are allocated without regard to ownership.

So if A rolls a 7 (+2) and B rolls a 12 (+7)

Then A rolls an 8 (+3) and B rolls a 14 (+9), the project will combine 12 and 8, and 14 and 7 to reach completion.

Investment determine influence/stake. Rolls determine building from a utilitarian perspective.

Further sabotage would most likely hit the 100%, yes- and if you didn't invest further it would just destroy Excel's investment (which would be silly).

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Kongou Dess
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)

posted 12-21-15 07:49 PM CT (US) 238 / 1871

No. Just saying that it's a bit of a frivolity considering that the city is still lacking in some of its infrastructure - such as, for instance, sewers and housing.

What need have we for housing without something to draw people? As for sewers... well, we have a harbor, no? <_<

Popeychops
"Cool" Huskarl

posted 12-21-15 07:50 PM CT (US) 239 / 1871

ET, you've spent three tokens on yourself. You could have built the upper level housing and still had one spare. And achieved more with it. You numbskull.

Elder Terrier
Banned

posted 12-21-15 07:53 PM CT (US) 240 / 1871

And those first two were in the very first turn, with which my business successfully grew, so I throw the numbskull insult back at you.

Quoted from Moff:
What need have we for housing without something to draw people? As for sewers... well, we have a harbor, no?

Not for long, at this rate.

But Kaiser Industries just invested in some of that harbor, so we'll see how that plays out.

META EDIT: Forgot about the HTML brackets.

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Kongou Dess
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)

posted 12-21-15 07:56 PM CT (US) 241 / 1871

Ah, how is the situation with immigrants from the far Orient, dear... uh... God? Magical floating information man? Whatever you are, Thymole.

CarolKarine
Squire

posted 12-21-15 07:57 PM CT (US) 242 / 1871

Kaiser pledges to start funding sewer development ASAP after the harbor's completion - but reminds it's fellow industries and businesses (ET) that they have an obligation towards the betterment of the city.

(@mole - when you say kaiser's two infrastructure projects, you mean rail & harbor, correct?)

Kongou Dess
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)

posted 12-21-15 07:59 PM CT (US) 243 / 1871

We could hardly have a girl's school without plumbing for long, eh? It shall also be Panzer's next priority... though, we warn about the economic impact of destroying the jobs of so many chamber maids, night soil men, and street sweepers.

THYMOLE
Squire

posted 12-21-15 07:59 PM CT (US) 244 / 1871

This is gonna be a pretty baller harbor. 3 from carol, 2 from ET, something ? From excel...

Ah, how is the situation with immigrants from the far Orient, dear... uh... God? Magical floating information man? Whatever you are, Thymole.

As in all things, I am, precisely, a magical floating information man.

As mentioned, there were barely any Japanese in the city to begin with, and immigration wasn't exactly a likely occurrence. Your people just wanted to put up racist laws, which the city officials seemed to decline, which caused some discontent. There's likely a good deal of Chinese in the city though. We don't exactly have a census.

@mole - when you say kaiser's two infrastructure projects, you mean rail & harbor, correct?)

That is correct

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Elder Terrier
Banned

posted 12-21-15 08:01 PM CT (US) 245 / 1871

First the police station, now the harbor. Whatever will be the hot infrastructure topic next?

Quoted from CarolKarine:
but reminds it's fellow industries and businesses (ET) that they have an obligation towards the betterment of the city.

Oh, I know that. Why do you think I've only spent one token on myself for the last turn and....is this turn done yet?

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THYMOLE
Squire

posted 12-21-15 08:05 PM CT (US) 246 / 1871

I believe we are waiting on Chud. I am attempting to keep a strict pace of one year/string of events every real day. He has until afternoon tomorrow to place his tokens or I'll do it for him.

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CarolKarine
Squire

posted 12-21-15 08:07 PM CT (US) 247 / 1871

Whatever will be the hot infrastructure topic next

sewers.

Elder Terrier
Banned

posted 12-21-15 08:25 PM CT (US) 248 / 1871

That deserves a sewer joke, but I'm not going to.

Excelsior
Squire

posted 12-21-15 09:01 PM CT (US) 249 / 1871

Glad someone mentioned sewers.

I'll make my decision on whether or no to take Popey's offer tomorrow when I have time. I'm fascinated that ET thinks harbors (which I invested in) would be my method of achieving Popey's request......

"It looks like a huge shark just took a bite out of Excelsior's ass"-Colonel Kyle Riggs, Star Force: Storm Assault

THYMOLE
Squire

posted 12-21-15 09:13 PM CT (US) 250 / 1871

Just make sure its clear what is happening.

Namely:

1) Is Popey donating a token to organized crime?
2) What is excel doing with it, if 1 === true

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