Is this a night start or a day start?

March 1, 1950
The world slowly turned. The last war had passed, and all wanted it to be the last. Wanting it didn't make it that way though. The usual rivalries flourished, petty feuds, neighbors squabbling over a few square kilometers of swampland. All the while the great powers slowly turned their gazes toward each other. Neither side wanted a war. Neither side wanted the other gone, exactly. And both had enough influence to start meddling here and there, fighting with shadow puppets for fear of each others' faces. Others had different plans. Others wanted their own chances. And those others were starting to attract the great powers' notice in turn.

They all agreed that the last war had been terrible. They all agreed that another like it would be something they did not want to risk. They all agreed that it would be better to drop their petty feuds and avoid any sort of conflict. That's what they all agreed. The world turned. And it turned once more toward conflict.

It is now Night 0. 48 hours for night actions.

I'm pretty sick right now, so I'm going to be inactive for the next few days.

Because sick people have better things to do than post on HG?

Yeah, sleep.

March 12, 1950
The agent sat calmly at the coffee shop in the capital city's central square. He would likely not live through the day. He knew that. He had been payed well for that, and he believed in the justice of his cause. Both were important factors in his willingness to take risks today. The parade would be starting in another few hours. He would do the job, and trust to his luck. His hand unconsciously slipped into his pocket, sliding along the smooth metal barrel. Suddenly, a noise, and then no noise, just a ringing that lasted and lasted. He turned his head, just in time to see the fireball that had been at the center of the square. It reached out to touch him. The ringing stopped.

New York Times
Turkish leader THYMOLE (Ismet Inonu) was found dead this morning. Initial reports indicate that he was poisoned. Turkish police say that they are investigating the matter, and that they have taken all possible suspects into custody. The Turkish people have come together in a massive outpouring of grief and anger. Inonu, who was a national hero after the Second World War, has been the most popular man in Turkey in decades. His efforts to unify and modernize the country have been well received, but are still not complete, and there is no obvious successor to step up and fill his shoes. It is entirely unclear what will happen to the current government in the absence of its most popular member. Only time will tell.


Someone tried to kill BastWorshipper, but failed.
THYMOLE is dead. He was Ismet Inonu, the survivor watcher.
It is now day 1. 11 to lynch.

Aw

that's unfortunate

I really wanted to play watcher.

Oh well, good luck everyone 'cept those who killed me.

Up for Replacement

So the question is, who would try to kill me?

I'm going to FoS: Heir for a couple of reasons:
1. He's very active and a good player; so it is always an advantage, if we can confirm him early.
2. He's one of the few in the player list I can imagine targeting me for a first night kill.

Also, thanks to whomever or whatever prevented me from dying. I play so few games, now, it would have been very disappointing to die so early.

Survivor watcher seems like an odd mechanic - what would be the point of such a role?

Vote: Xenophone

Since he's at the top of the list... unless someone has a better idea.

And another post, since I rely far too much on the edit button and don't read very closely the first time around:

Not sure what to make of Bast's kill-failure scene. Sounds like he has a kill-ability (gun in pocket). A fireball that reached out to touch him, but didn't? Almost sounds more like he's iron than he was killed, though Bast has suggested that someone protected him.

I'm happy with Going after Heir, Vote: Heir.

Is that first bit of flavor related to the kill attempt on me? When I read it, at first, I thought it was related to the death of Mole. Having, now, reread the day post, though, I see Mole was poisoned.

Bast's logic, while weak, is still the soundest first day lynching logic I have ever heard

VOTE: HEIR

Seems odd that there would be a Survivor role with no provision for surviving at least the first night. Oh well.

Quoted from Muzta:

Bast's logic, while weak, is still the soundest first day lynching logic I have ever heard

This strikes me as a particularly rubbish comment. Firstly it talks about "lynching logic" when we're oh so very far from lynching anybody. Secondly how can logic be simultaneously weak and the soundest logic on a first day you've ever heard? Unless you've played only in first days where people used astrology to guide their votes it seems unlikely to be true. I don't like this strange hedging of bets, as ambiguous, mostly meaningless opinions always seem inherently scummy to me.

I'd quite like to know whether this is a typical Muzta comment. So if anyone who's played with him before could maybe provide a couple of past examples that would be useful. Although even if he says this sort of thing all the time it's still the dodgiest thing said so far in this game.

Vote: Muzta

I think it's been almost two years since I played a game with Muzta; and all I can remember about his play is that he gives off a scummy vibe to me EVERY GAME.

Quoted from Muzta:

Bast's logic, while weak, is still the soundest first day lynching logic I have ever heard

Yea-No. First, like Julius said, weak != "soundest first day lynching logic." Second, Herr is worth looking into because he's experienced. This doesn't mean we should be putting forward "lynching logic;" it means we should pressure to try to either confirm or trap him.

I'll FOS: Muzta but I want to see more posting from him and any words from anyone who's played him before before I vote him.

Muzta's pretty straightforward. It doesn't necessarily make him scummy.

But don't quote me on that. I'm just as happy to push him to a lynch as anyone else.

*claim, not lynch.

I'm with Julius on this one. Bast's weak logic is as good as a random pressure to me, but it is most certainly not lynch logic, and definitely not the best I've ever heard. While Mutza might just be inexperienced, his immediate support of what he apparently thought was a completely random lynch without even waiting for Heir to claim just strikes me as very strange.

FoS: Mutza (wow...it's been a long time since I've used FoS )

I'll hold my vote for now to see where the Heir bandwagon goes.

I've been out of mafia for a long time (except the one in OD where this hasn't come up) ... so can someone explain watcher & iron roles please? TIA

Watcher targets a player each night, seeing who target that player.

Iron player is immune to night kills

Looks like it’s day. Time to analyse the Day post.

Quoted from Day post:

He turned his head, just in time to see the fireball that had been at the center of the square. It reached out to touch him. The ringing stopped.

It seems Bast was attacked by an assailant who was armed with a gun of some sort. (I’m interpreting the fireball as a bullet shot) It appears the bullet failed to hit its mark though. The write up, however, does not hint at why this occurred. Hence, there is a possibility of doctor protection and Bast being iron.

Quoted from Day post:

Initial reports indicate that he was poisoned.

This clearly indicates that Thymole was killed by poison.

All in all it appears we have 2 killing groups. One equipped with firearms and the other, with poison. Given that there are 22 players, perhaps there are 2 mafias, and maybe several third parties?

Regarding Mutza, while his statement does seem to be contradictory, I think he was just jumping on the bandwagon. But I wouldn't mind hearing his explanation all the same.

I interpreted the fireball as a failed car bombing or something

FoS: Muzta

Getting a claim out of you would be nice.

Yeah, Muzta is as good a start as any.

Good night for us.


I don't see why Muzta went for a lynch vote, whereas Bast was just making a pressure vote.Not so random, at that

Oh, and about the day post,

The agent sat calmly at the coffee shop in the capital city's central square. He would likely not live through the day. He knew that. He had been payed well for that, and he believed in the justice of his cause. Both were important factors in his willingness to take risks today.

This agent is Bast?

If its so, it seems he's on some mission of sort, which would definitely cost his life.

Quoted from Major Helper:

I interpreted the fireball as a failed car bombing or something

Ditto, because the fireball came from the center of the square after a noise and a ringing:

Suddenly, a noise, and then no noise, just a ringing that lasted and lasted. He turned his head, just in time to see the fireball that had been at the center of the square.

I don't think the agent is me, because there is nothing in my flavor that relates. Perhaps, the agent is who was trying to kill me and was killed in the explosion, though I really don't know. If that is the case, the additional question is: Was the explosion some kind of mechanic or was it caused by the actions of a particular player? Again, I don't know.

I was reading through the flavor posts of the WWII game on Saturday, and while I don't remember if there were flavor posts unrelated to the night's actions, I did notice that there were several neutral parties in that game and all factions had recruiters; so I assume that Mole could have been recruited by one or more factions and used his Watcher ability for whichever faction recruited him. Someone who played in one of the previous Alternate History games can confirm this or tell me I'm completely wrong.

So maybe we should look at the cold war in general first and then try to figure out where everyone could lie; plus add on the outcome of the last game. This game is probably not going to be straight forward because wars are never like that in general, people can turn, with new alliegences forming etc.

Was the ringing sound, some sort of a block?

I also read it as an agent sent to kill Bast; not that Bast was the agent.

So maybe we should look at the cold war in general first and then try to figure out where everyone could lie; plus add on the outcome of the last game.

Other than the name and nationality, my role has no real historical basis, so I don't think history would help very much. Throw in the OP of the sign-up thread, and this game is much more "alternate" than "history".

so I assume that Mole could have been recruited by one or more factions and used his Watcher ability for whichever faction recruited him

Or he can use it to keep himself alive by being useful to teh town.

The day post seems to say that Bast was the agent or that the bomb was set, not by the killer, but by a roleblocker blowing up the killer's car.
The agent was going to go out on his mission (was not already done) and had a gun. This bomb almost certainly wasn't set by the agent in question.

I would like a claim from Bast, since this makes me think he is probably a killer, but I really don't like muzta's post either for the previously mentioned reasons.

We're assuming that the fireball was a gun. But consider this. When a gun is fired at you, you don't really see the bullet "touch" you, and the fireball is usually the muzzle flash, which generally doesn't come anywhere close to you. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the agent was an NPC suicide bomber sent by a scum group (that the flavor of the scum group's kill is that of a suicide bomber, but that they don't actually have to kill themselves to make kills).

Now, while history itself might only be mildly helpful, I believe it was stated that this alternate history was based on the conclusion of the WW1 and WW2 games previously hosted in this series. We might find more clues as to who to expect as town and scum if we go back and read through those, especially the WW2 game.

I think that Mutza just is inexperienced or something, I certainly wouldn't try to draw attention to myself like that if I knew what I was doing. I see it as Bast being the attacked too.

We're assuming that the fireball was a gun.

It was a car bomb.

Well the scum ie the germans/French were crushed in the WWII mafia, as i should know being one of them lol. For a brief period our allience was joined with the Japanese, But ill have to catch up with the rest because it was a little while ago

Reading the OP of the sign-up thread, Prussia appears to be the main scum (and the dominant power in Europe), especially with the last couple lines.

France has been dismantled and split into British, American, and Prussian zones (similar to Germany in reality) and Briatin crippled.

Why are we talking about this? It'll only be important when we have a claim to look at, which is coincidentally the first time when we'll have something decent to go on.

I seriously doubt the mod is going to implicate scum in the flavour text, because Maegereg isn't an idiot. More talk about what the players are saying please.

My claiming at this point wouldn't help the town, although of course if forced to do so I will claim. But the pressure seems to be on Muzta and his willingness to lynch currently.

Anyways, I don't like how in his very first post Bast immediately managed to shift attention towards me, so that no one noticed that as implied by the write-up, Bast is clearly some sort of assassin. The pressure should have been on Bast but he quite skillfully turned it onto me in his first post.

I agree that the fireball was likely a bomb, possibly a car bomb as suggested. I think the agent was a "weapon" used by a killer to attack Bast, but I think it was more likely that the killer was blocked (ie the killer was stopped). The flavor doesn't really seem like a doc save or Iron, although they are possible.

Since he accused me of trying to kill him, it is clear that Bast was the agent. And therefore an assassin of some sort.

Anyways, I don't like how in his very first post Bast immediately managed to shift attention towards me, so that no one noticed that as implied by the write-up, Bast is clearly some sort of assassin. The pressure should have been on Bast but he quite skillfully turned it onto me in his first post.

Unlikely. I can't see how you're reading that as Bast being the agent; it's fairly obvious that there was an agent trying to attack him and that agent failed.

There's virtually no logical way you can read the paragraph with Bast as the killer.

Herr, it's not like you to make such an obvious mistake.

The agent sat calmly at the coffee shop in the capital city's central square. He would likely not live through the day. He knew that. He had been payed well for that, and he believed in the justice of his cause. Both were important factors in his willingness to take risks today. The parade would be starting in another few hours. He would do the job, and trust to his luck. His hand unconsciously slipped into his pocket, sliding along the smooth metal barrel. Suddenly, a noise, and then no noise, just a ringing that lasted and lasted. He turned his head, just in time to see the fireball that had been at the center of the square. It reached out to touch him. The ringing stopped.

Accusing me of trying to kill him with the car bomb is one thing, but Bast is also some sort of assassin at the very least.

I see where you're coming from there Heir, it does seem as though its implicating Bast as a killer, but as Julius said, Maeg wouldn't make that kind of mistake in giving him away so obviously... Unless it's a condition of some sort, which could be possible I suppose.

I don't really think he's an assassin or something like that, the flavor would screw him up pretty badly if he was.

All the same, do you agree that the flavor points to him having a gun and planning to use it?

Even then, that wouldn't have been so much of a problem for me except that in his very first post he immediately resorted to speculation instead of an analysis of the day post or something (which would have lead to some uncomfortable questions for him, I believe).

Bast != the agent. The agent was the weapon the mafia tried to use to kill him (I gather the term is NPC). The agent's attack (kill action) was blocked by the bomb (which I think = RB).

My flavor analysis:
Assuming Bast is a national or political leader of some kind (as I assume most of us are), it would make sense for Bast to be in his nation's/group's parade. A mafia decided to kill Bast, using an agent. (An assassin's weapon is a knife or gun, a nation's weapon is an agent). The agent is preparing to kill Bast (in the parade) when he is killed (the weapon is blocked) by the bomb.

I don't feel like Bast is even mentioned in the flavor. To me it reads like it's only about the assassin who was blocked (since noting actually happened to Bast).

Oh, and note that his points were A) you're good so it would be good to confirm you early and B) you're one of the few who he thinks would kill him. He's not saying "Herr tried to kill me, lynch him!!" It seems to me like you're blowing this out of proportion.

^^^ Exactly.

My first post...

Quoted from me:

So the question is, who would try to kill me?

I'm going to FoS: Heir for a couple of reasons:
1. He's very active and a good player; so it is always an advantage, if we can confirm him early.
2. He's one of the few in the player list I can imagine targeting me for a first night kill.

...was essentially random pressure to start things off and generate some discussion. You'll notice I did not even vote.

Your first post, on the other hand, Heir:

Quoted from Heir:

My claiming at this point wouldn't help the town, although of course if forced to do so I will claim. But the pressure seems to be on Muzta and his willingness to lynch currently.

Anyways, I don't like how in his very first post Bast immediately managed to shift attention towards me, so that no one noticed that as implied by the write-up, Bast is clearly some sort of assassin. The pressure should have been on Bast but he quite skillfully turned it onto me in his first post.

You didn't vote, either, but this very much struck me as an OMGUS post. If you'd left it after the first paragraph, I would have let things go and see how Muzta reacted to pressure. However, the second paragraph....

I'm honestly not sure what to make of it. There was no attention on me; so I don't see how it was a shifting of attention. In fact, there was no attention on anyone.

Also, your comment that the write-up clearly implicates me as some kind of assassin is plainly absurd. I don't have a problem with the conjecture that it could implicate me as an assassin, but clearly? I don't think so.